Lessons learned so far: 2024-2025

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Anonymous wrote:Kind of an edge case—but when looking at undergrad business programs, it's very important to consider whether students are accepted into and matriculate as freshmen directly into the business school.

In my experience, many students and parents don’t understand this, and our private school counselors also failed to mention it as a major consideration. My concern was: what if DC gets sick, has a bad freshman semester, etc., but chose the school based on the business major—then ends up getting rejected from the B-school and is forced to choose another major? UGA Terry was one of those schools. Great B-school, but only a 40% acceptance rate. DC just wasn’t really willing to roll the dice with other great options where they matriculated as an incoming freshman. Now a happy freshman already taking core classes in a great undergrad business school!


This applies to all majors. There are plenty of great schools, where 99% of the majors are open TO ANYONE. None of this direct admit or you will never get in to engineering/CS/business/STEm majors. Choose wisely. Given that many kids do switch majors, much easier to be at a school where they can easily do this.
Given that many who switch out of Engineering (Because it's too hard/not their thing) go to Business majors, but that needs to be a viable option at their school.



The Your College Bound Kid podcast recently had an episode on how different schools deal with majors: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/your-college-bound-kid-admission-tips-admission-trends/id1349060136?i=1000682820473

So, I just listened to this. Is it my imagination or did he not finish the quote from the VT AO? Starting around 37:08. "So here's the quote: 'Here at Virginia Tech, you're going to hear me talk a lot about major specifically. The reason I say that is because major specifically is very important here at Virginia Tech.' Now don't miss this line. This is probably one of the key points I want you to take away after today. Now don't miss the final line. And if you take anything away, it should be this. So hopefully you found this helpful...etc."

I thought he was winding up to tell us the final line. It felt awkward after that. Was the final line edited out? Or was the final line simply that major is very important at VT?


You have to listen to his tone changes. this is the quote:

Here at Virginia Tech, you're going to hear me talk a lot about major specifically. The reason I say that is because major is very important here at Virginia Tech. This is probably one of the key points I want you to take away after today. And if you take anything away, it should be this.

(that is, the parts about not missing the line are YCBK guy and the rest is the quote. And then the hopefully you found this helpful is the guy again.
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Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!
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Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!

Do you have episode number or title?
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Anonymous wrote:I wish I had not worried so much about certain EC's that I had to pay through the nose for.


+1 It's more about kids' initiative than pay to play.


So true. Sometimes the most random, personal or small activities tie together so beautifully and naturally.


This worked out for DS. His passions are anime, gaming and film and all his ECs in and out of school drew on those passions. Club leader at school, online leader for 2 clubs/Discord servers, self taught coding for game mods and video editing, etc.

He applied as either film or game design and has been accepted to all his schools so far.l with admits to Honors colleges and lots of merit.

Still waiting on RD but so far he’s like a Pokémon trainer!


This sounds like my son who is currently a sophomore. Would you mind sharing the names of some of the schools your son is interested in?
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Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!

Do you have episode number or title?


Was this from today?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If unhooked and eyeing the most rejective schools, get your own counselor if you can afford it. Yes, of course it’s possible to get in without one, but it makes the odds so much better and the process so much easier (especially for parents since the counselor does all the nagging). Love my DC to death, but frankly not sure they would‘ve made the cut without the counselor’s inside knowledge, making them write and rewrite an ungodly number of drafts of each prompt and even the activities/awards sections, etc. DC was accepted early to first choice HYPSM.


Can you please recommend your counselor?
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Anonymous wrote:I wish I had not worried so much about certain EC's that I had to pay through the nose for.


+1 It's more about kids' initiative than pay to play.


So true. Sometimes the most random, personal or small activities tie together so beautifully and naturally.


This worked out for DS. His passions are anime, gaming and film and all his ECs in and out of school drew on those passions. Club leader at school, online leader for 2 clubs/Discord servers, self taught coding for game mods and video editing, etc.

He applied as either film or game design and has been accepted to all his schools so far.l with admits to Honors colleges and lots of merit.

Still waiting on RD but so far he’s like a Pokémon trainer!


This sounds like my son who is currently a sophomore. Would you mind sharing the names of some of the schools your son is interested in?


Absolutely!!

Since he wanted both options we looked primarily at state flagships and other large state schools

In VA: GMU, VCU and Va Tech
OOS: Arizona, Arizona State, Penn State, Purdue, UT Dallas
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Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!

Do you have episode number or title?


Was this from today?


Its the most recent one for YCBK on Apple Podcasts (Jan19): its titled Duke University 2/2 but in the description, it says: Julia and Mark discuss a real concern that we are seeing in the student essays that we read.....
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Think the selective college applications need to convey:

1. an absolute love of learning (can be quirky, can be weird, but it needs to be somewhere and crystal clear)

2. warm, happy, kind kid

3. perky go-getter that is an initiator

Evidence for all three. It should percolate the entire application - all parts.

Don't overthink it.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!


What is YCBK?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!


What is YCBK?


Podcast. Google?
It’s talked about a ton here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The person reading essays is likely a liberal millennial and has a high chance of being female. Cater your essays accordingly.


this is good advice. but it's not just the essays. its the entire application - and probably why they might spend more time on a humanities app than another CS/engineering/business app that just looks like the last one.
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Anonymous wrote:If unhooked and eyeing the most rejective schools, get your own counselor if you can afford it. Yes, of course it’s possible to get in without one, but it makes the odds so much better and the process so much easier (especially for parents since the counselor does all the nagging). Love my DC to death, but frankly not sure they would‘ve made the cut without the counselor’s inside knowledge, making them write and rewrite an ungodly number of drafts of each prompt and even the activities/awards sections, etc. DC was accepted early to first choice HYPSM.


Can you please recommend your counselor?


Apologies, I don’t mean to gatekeep, but if I post her information, I’m sure I’ll just be accused of shilling, plus she only takes personal referrals anyway. I recommend you discreetly ask among parents you know whose DC had happy outcomes - it’s very likely they used an outside counselor but didn’t publicize it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If your kid has big dreams, you must apply widely. Start early. Be smart and strategic.

Applied to 22 schools:
5 safeties (admitted to 4; waiting on 1)
6 targets (admitted to 1; waiting on 5)
11 reaches (deferred ED1; waiting on all)


I don't understand how peple can apply to so many safeties and targets early. Our kid did a school with selective early action, and there weren't a ton of schools that she COULD have applied to early as a results (just state schools)
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Anonymous wrote:SAT score really matters.


To a certain extent yes. But once you hit at certain level, nope getting higher does not matter.



The touchy-feely admissions officer thinking “I really like this kid” based on their essays, activities and background matters more than everyone thinks. It is a rational decision to a point but more emotion involved than there should be.


Yes but it must feel authentic and not made up.
Like you want to root for this kid. The kid makes you laugh. Has uncommon experiences or take on something. You see something familiar in him/her? Something you haven’t seen in a bunch of other applications.

Good essays, LOR and activities can absolutely do this.


Many of these are exaggerated, crafted, and carefully written to hook readers and sell the applicant.


Exaggerated bragging will backfire. Listen to today's YCBK.....

They say that the essays that brag about ECs are the WORST. It's about showing values, and academic "love of learning" in all you do. Not bragging. "Essays are not the place to flex....they're the place for you to reflect".

In reading through reddit/A2C, this is what all the international/CS/engineering kids get wrong. They think "bigger is better". That is NOT what they are looking for. They are looking for your values. You can convey values through EC descriptions in a way that whispers and doesn't shout.

More from the podcast on what AO are looking for in essays - its not about "impressing them":
"They really like you and they're excited about having you in the class"
"fostering an emotional connection" with the AO
But "they can sniff it out so fast when someone is trying to pound their chest and say, I hope you notice subtly..."
So - don't put your ECs in your essays - unless the prompt asks for it....they don't want you to brag.

Interesting episode btw. He blamed the parents.


Fantastic tip!


What is YCBK?


Podcast. Google?
It’s talked about a ton here.


… by one poster who keeps dropping it in casually and then acting surprised that no one knows what they’re taking about.
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