Federal workers who telework one day a week could lose locality pay

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

I worked at my last agency 15 years. When I started, I thought a lot of the roles were unnecessary or not worth a full time employee. Then I'd learn a little bit more, and see why the job existed, or find out the part I saw was only 20% of someone's full job description. Then I started supervising and found out more about employees who, when I was staff, I'd thought were slacking because I didn't see their work.

Then I left for a new agency that lacks some of those "bs" roles, and I can see how we'd benefit from having them.

No organization is 100% efficient or perfectly run, but I am really skeptical of people who claim there are a lot of BS jobs or a lot of slackers. It makes me think they just don't have the right vantage point to see the full picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

I worked at my last agency 15 years. When I started, I thought a lot of the roles were unnecessary or not worth a full time employee. Then I'd learn a little bit more, and see why the job existed, or find out the part I saw was only 20% of someone's full job description. Then I started supervising and found out more about employees who, when I was staff, I'd thought were slacking because I didn't see their work.

Then I left for a new agency that lacks some of those "bs" roles, and I can see how we'd benefit from having them.

No organization is 100% efficient or perfectly run, but I am really skeptical of people who claim there are a lot of BS jobs or a lot of slackers. It makes me think they just don't have the right vantage point to see the full picture.

DP

Same. The people who look like they’re doing nothing are usually doing critically important yet mind numbing tasks, and have institutional knowledge that makes it look easy. Trust me, you don’t want them to leave on short notice. I am rebuilding a unit after a retirement apocalypse and oh. my. god.

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Anonymous wrote:They really hate us!

Federal employees who telework at least once a week would lose locality pay under a new House bill. Under the Federal Employee Return to Work Act, teleworking employees would receive "Rest of U.S." locality pay even if they live and work in a region with a higher cost of living. Rep. Dan Newhouse introduced the bill. He and Sen. Bill Cassidy led the bill during the last session of Congress.
(Newhouse leads legislation to send federal employees back to work - Rep. Dan Newhouse)

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2025/01/federal-workers-who-telework-one-day-a-week-could-lose-locality-pay/

“For the last four years, D.C. bureaucrats have abused telework policies and exploited locality bonuses while our federal agencies’ buildings sit empty. This legislation is very clear; show up to where you are being paid to work so we can end this abuse of taxpayer dollars,” said Rep. Newhouse.

We should have locality pay for Congress where they are paid based on their home state.

This comment is not getting enough attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

From where I sit, tons of the "bs made up positions" and "total nonsense" are people whose entire job is following legal compliance requirements: e.g. financial risk assessment for grants, ensuring contract RFPs are advertised according to regulations, reporting in use id funds, maintaining federal records, stuff like that. So take it up with Congress: the more accountability measures the laws require, the more bureaucrats you need.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an elite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

Equally important, many government jobs are focused on bringing in money. That money not only pays their salaries but offsets PP’s taxes.

I mean, I guess you can cut these jobs, but don’t cry when the billions they bring in need to be made up by middle class taxpayers.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

From where I sit, tons of the "bs made up positions" and "total nonsense" are people whose entire job is following legal compliance requirements: e.g. financial risk assessment for grants, ensuring contract RFPs are advertised according to regulations, reporting in use id funds, maintaining federal records, stuff like that. So take it up with Congress: the more accountability measures the laws require, the more bureaucrats you need.

My large, expensive program suffers from bad Congressional statutes. Feds are often blamed for the cost, but we have very high workloads due to all the red tape that was written in the statute. There are SO many reforms that feds would like to make to keep the spirit of the law, but to cut costs. As it is, we all know that our program is FUBAR. It will crash and burn spectacularly one day and maybe then the statute will be rewritten. We get sued nonstop for things that we're required to do by statute, but unable to do *well* because we aren't funded enough. Congress should decide if they really want our programs, they either need to fund them to an adequate level or dial them back (they need dialed back!). We spend $$$ being sued nonstop.

Lots of statutes are similar (NEPA, ESA, records laws, FOIA). They're popular but Congress wrote them too poorly and we're constantly in litigation over them.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

From where I sit, tons of the "bs made up positions" and "total nonsense" are people whose entire job is following legal compliance requirements: e.g. financial risk assessment for grants, ensuring contract RFPs are advertised according to regulations, reporting in use id funds, maintaining federal records, stuff like that. So take it up with Congress: the more accountability measures the laws require, the more bureaucrats you need.

Plenty of us regulate industries that cannot regulate themselves. If feds back off of inspections, testing and loosen regulations, these companies go berserk. I have way too many stories of beloved companies who behave very poorly when no one is looking. Think pharmaceuticals, import/export, oil and gas companies, meat packing inspectors.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather loose locality pay to be able to telework at least one day a week or rather keep locality pay and return to work 5 days a week?

I'd personally go in, because, no joke, the difference is 30k but 90% of my agency is not DC area, we're all 50 states. We hired hundreds of people entirely remotely.

this is what makes me laugh. my DH is a FED, we live in DC and less than 10 miles from his agency (15-20 min by car), he was doing some remote work already before covid (like 2 days week) and totally remote since 2020. we could not care less if he has to go back, he will. But people who were hired from red states far away, they are going to be screwed. some GOP rants about moving feds out of DC and dont realize the easier way is for jobs that can be remote to be remote so people from anywhere can be hired. so this is screwing the people from the very states these GOP reprs and senators are from. and I dont even mention that my DH's agency, in the middle of nowhere MD, does not have space and parking space for the number of employees so if everybody is 100% back in the office there is an issue where people are going to sit and how they get there if they cannot park anywhere. but hey, while the billionaires screw the country and increase the debt to unsustainable levels damaging everybody, the GOP needs some scapegoats to channel people's rage and as immigrants, trans, Muslims, the welfare queens may not be enough, they need to throw in the feds too, spending their time taking bubble baths and working 1-2 hours a day for a lavish amount of money funded by hardworking middle America that struggle from pay check to paycheck while working on site 12hr a day (cit. Joni Ernst)

Most of the feds are living in cheap 1 hour away areas like pg county

Yup. You try supporting a family on 100k with a reasonable commute to DC, if you didn't buy a house 10 years ago. Parts of PG county are pretty close in, but lots of us live places like Frederick, Woodbridge, Fredericksburg, etc. Telework helped us balance relatively low salaries (most feds aren't lawyers at the SEC) with, you know, having a life. It's even harder to move close on a fed salary than it was before covid.

I am sick about hearing that you get paid so little, sick to death of it. So what! Get a second job to increase your quality of life and [b]stop sponging off of taxpayers with your continuous whining about the sacrifices you make for us. I hope they take your pensions away too.

This is incoherent. How does whining = sponging off of taxpayers?

You realize we are taxpayers too, right?

Also, who would you like to deliver your government services? And for what cost? Are you willing to do such work? Or are you an lite, too-good jerk who is sponging off of public servants?

This is an excellent question. If my agency (VA) stopped delivering services, constituents would be contacting their members of Congress because they actually need and want the services.

My spouse's job involves making sure the ships and submarines service members use are safe. Would this anti government types be happy if entire ships of Marines and Sailors died because no one inspected the welds and plates on the ships?

Mine involves nuclear weapons.

Although I’m a fed too and I will say where I am there are many b.s. made-up positions.

Across the govt there’s a real mix of truly critical/vital and total nonsense.

From where I sit, tons of the "bs made up positions" and "total nonsense" are people whose entire job is following legal compliance requirements: e.g. financial risk assessment for grants, ensuring contract RFPs are advertised according to regulations, reporting in use id funds, maintaining federal records, stuff like that. So take it up with Congress: the more accountability measures the laws require, the more bureaucrats you need.

My large, expensive program suffers from bad Congressional statutes. Feds are often blamed for the cost, but we have very high workloads due to all the red tape that was written in the statute. There are SO many reforms that feds would like to make to keep the spirit of the law, but to cut costs. As it is, we all know that our program is FUBAR. It will crash and burn spectacularly one day and maybe then the statute will be rewritten. We get sued nonstop for things that we're required to do by statute, but unable to do *well* because we aren't funded enough. Congress should decide if they really want our programs, they either need to fund them to an adequate level or dial them back (they need dialed back!). We spend $$$ being sued nonstop.

Lots of statutes are similar (NEPA, ESA, records laws, FOIA). They're popular but Congress wrote them too poorly and we're constantly in litigation over them.

Yes you get it!!