“Wives submit to your husbands”

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Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.

I fear for that bride.

I really recommend you to go to a bible study.

And I believe you could benefit from one as well. Sarah Bessey’s Jesus Feminist is a great jumping off place.

"I'm not quite sure when the Church decided that 'biblical' was the perfect adjective for subjective roles and situations. I don't think it's helped us. Usually when people use that phrase, they are thinking more about June Cleaver than the early church's Lydia, described as being 'diligent in business,' or perhaps a sanitized sitcom society that never actually existed instead of Deborah, the military strategist of Israel, let alone Junia, a respected apostle alongside Paul."

The issue here isn’t about imposing arbitrary, cultural stereotypes on the text—it’s about understanding Scripture in its full historical and theological context. The Bible is clear that submission is mutual in marriage (Ephesians 5:21), grounded in Christ’s sacrificial love. The passage in question doesn’t diminish the bride; it calls both spouses to reflect Christ in their relationship. Lydia, Deborah, and Junia are excellent examples of strong, faithful women—but their stories don’t negate or contradict Paul’s teachings on marriage; they affirm that each role in the Body of Christ has purpose and dignity.

If we strip away the context of biblical passages and insert modern frameworks like “Jesus Feminism,” we risk distorting the text to fit fleeting cultural trends instead of wrestling with the actual meaning it offers. I’d encourage a deeper dive into biblical theology rather than assigning modern narratives onto the “Word of God”. The text is challenging enough without the need for additional layers of interpretation that reduce its depth.

Keep thinking about that. Learn Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. Get back to us in ten years when you’ve finished a divinity degree (If your husband and JD Vance let you).

Resorting to sarcasm and condescension only highlights the lack of a serious argument. You don’t need a divinity degree or fluency in ancient languages to understand that interpreting any text requires context, logic, and intellectual honesty. Dismissing the conversation with childish jabs says more about your unwillingness to engage meaningfully than it does about the point being made.

But you are literally depending on someone else’s context, logic and intellectual honesty.

All people proven to not be honest.

t’s true that I read analyses by scholars and theologians, but that doesn’t mean I rely on them blindly. Their work provides valuable context; such as historical events, cultural influences, and linguistic insights; that I use to inform my own understanding. Engaging with their research doesn’t replace personal study; it enhances it. The Bible is the most analyzed book in the world, and for good reason, its impact on history, culture, and philosophy is unparalleled. Just as you’d study history by referencing primary sources alongside expert interpretations, the same applies to the Bible.

There are so many modern books of wisdom to read that it seems nuts to try to better understand an ancient book that's been translated many times.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.

I fear for that bride.

I really recommend you to go to a bible study.

And I believe you could benefit from one as well. Sarah Bessey’s Jesus Feminist is a great jumping off place.

"I'm not quite sure when the Church decided that 'biblical' was the perfect adjective for subjective roles and situations. I don't think it's helped us. Usually when people use that phrase, they are thinking more about June Cleaver than the early church's Lydia, described as being 'diligent in business,' or perhaps a sanitized sitcom society that never actually existed instead of Deborah, the military strategist of Israel, let alone Junia, a respected apostle alongside Paul."

The issue here isn’t about imposing arbitrary, cultural stereotypes on the text—it’s about understanding Scripture in its full historical and theological context. The Bible is clear that submission is mutual in marriage (Ephesians 5:21), grounded in Christ’s sacrificial love. The passage in question doesn’t diminish the bride; it calls both spouses to reflect Christ in their relationship. Lydia, Deborah, and Junia are excellent examples of strong, faithful women—but their stories don’t negate or contradict Paul’s teachings on marriage; they affirm that each role in the Body of Christ has purpose and dignity.

If we strip away the context of biblical passages and insert modern frameworks like “Jesus Feminism,” we risk distorting the text to fit fleeting cultural trends instead of wrestling with the actual meaning it offers. I’d encourage a deeper dive into biblical theology rather than assigning modern narratives onto the “Word of God”. The text is challenging enough without the need for additional layers of interpretation that reduce its depth.

Keep thinking about that. Learn Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. Get back to us in ten years when you’ve finished a divinity degree (If your husband and JD Vance let you).

Resorting to sarcasm and condescension only highlights the lack of a serious argument. You don’t need a divinity degree or fluency in ancient languages to understand that interpreting any text requires context, logic, and intellectual honesty. Dismissing the conversation with childish jabs says more about your unwillingness to engage meaningfully than it does about the point being made.

But you are literally depending on someone else’s context, logic and intellectual honesty.

All people proven to not be honest.

t’s true that I read analyses by scholars and theologians, but that doesn’t mean I rely on them blindly. Their work provides valuable context; such as historical events, cultural influences, and linguistic insights; that I use to inform my own understanding. Engaging with their research doesn’t replace personal study; it enhances it. The Bible is the most analyzed book in the world, and for good reason, its impact on history, culture, and philosophy is unparalleled. Just as you’d study history by referencing primary sources alongside expert interpretations, the same applies to the Bible.

There are so many modern books of wisdom to read that it seems nuts to try to better understand an ancient book that's been translated many times.

Why? Do you just want to burn all old books?

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Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.



I fear for that bride.

I really recommend you to go to a bible study.

And I believe you could benefit from one as well. Sarah Bessey’s Jesus Feminist is a great jumping off place.

"I'm not quite sure when the Church decided that 'biblical' was the perfect adjective for subjective roles and situations. I don't think it's helped us. Usually when people use that phrase, they are thinking more about June Cleaver than the early church's Lydia, described as being 'diligent in business,' or perhaps a sanitized sitcom society that never actually existed instead of Deborah, the military strategist of Israel, let alone Junia, a respected apostle alongside Paul."

The issue here isn’t about imposing arbitrary, cultural stereotypes on the text—it’s about understanding Scripture in its full historical and theological context. The Bible is clear that submission is mutual in marriage (Ephesians 5:21), grounded in Christ’s sacrificial love. The passage in question doesn’t diminish the bride; it calls both spouses to reflect Christ in their relationship. Lydia, Deborah, and Junia are excellent examples of strong, faithful women—but their stories don’t negate or contradict Paul’s teachings on marriage; they affirm that each role in the Body of Christ has purpose and dignity.

If we strip away the context of biblical passages and insert modern frameworks like “Jesus Feminism,” we risk distorting the text to fit fleeting cultural trends instead of wrestling with the actual meaning it offers. I’d encourage a deeper dive into biblical theology rather than assigning modern narratives onto the “Word of God”. The text is challenging enough without the need for additional layers of interpretation that reduce its depth.

Keep thinking about that. Learn Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. Get back to us in ten years when you’ve finished a divinity degree (If your husband and JD Vance let you).

Resorting to sarcasm and condescension only highlights the lack of a serious argument. You don’t need a divinity degree or fluency in ancient languages to understand that interpreting any text requires context, logic, and intellectual honesty. Dismissing the conversation with childish jabs says more about your unwillingness to engage meaningfully than it does about the point being made.

But you are literally depending on someone else’s context, logic and intellectual honesty.

All people proven to not be honest.

t’s true that I read analyses by scholars and theologians, but that doesn’t mean I rely on them blindly. Their work provides valuable context; such as historical events, cultural influences, and linguistic insights; that I use to inform my own understanding. Engaging with their research doesn’t replace personal study; it enhances it. The Bible is the most analyzed book in the world, and for good reason, its impact on history, culture, and philosophy is unparalleled. Just as you’d study history by referencing primary sources alongside expert interpretations, the same applies to the Bible.

There are so many modern books of wisdom to read that it seems nuts to try to better understand an ancient book that's been translated many times.

Why? Do you just want to burn all old books?

This person talking about “modern book of wisdom” has zero knowledge about the impact of the bible in the world.