“Wives submit to your husbands”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not a partnership that would suit me, and I hope my children also pick different models.

But the bride agreed to that, so I hope it works for her.

Also one more thing, shortly after college, I went to a wedding where this was said, and the bride was much more devout and probably believed it more strongly than the groom. The phrase was prety commonplace among her friends. They've been married for 25 years and weather a lot together. I would imagine the clear understanding and agreement of their marriage would work has helped them a lot. To each, her own.

[Anonymous]

I had a Catholic wedding to make some older people in my life happy. I didn't take any of the religious stuff to heart (I'm an agnostic), and maybe this couple didn't either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

This only works if you go back to the "good old days" where wives were fine essentially being treated like the help and you never left your husband over affairs, physical abuse, etc. Also, it's not easy to find a husband that brings in a ton of bacon that is looking for this kind of wife (who tends to not be college educated or ever had a real career to start).

Duel career parents have to farm out their parenting responsibilities. It takes a lot more than bacon for children to have a healthy childhood. Who exactly loves your child as much as you do?

Most young people these days are suffering with extreme alienation. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

This only works if you go back to the "good old days" where wives were fine essentially being treated like the help and you never left your husband over affairs, physical abuse, etc. Also, it's not easy to find a husband that brings in a ton of bacon that is looking for this kind of wife (who tends to not be college educated or ever had a real career to start).

Duel career parents have to farm out their parenting responsibilities. It takes a lot more than bacon for children to have a healthy childhood. Who exactly loves your child as much as you do?

Most young people these days are suffering with extreme alienation. Why?

Oh FFS please don't turn this into another SAH vs WOH battles. PLEASE!!!! This has nothing to do with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. Here is the whole verse:

Ephesians 5:22-33 NKJV. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

christians, particularly the males, always forget the second half of those verses.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

People need to also understand the context of why that letter was written. At the time, arranged marriages was still a thing, and women often did not respect their husbands, causing an acrimonious marriage.

This is a letter from Paul, a zealot. This is not a teaching from Christ. I know many Christians think Paul was an extension of Christ's teachings, but he was still human, prone to error, bias and influence from the culture of his time.

Take it all with a grain of salt. Women and men should honor and respect each other. That is what makes for a healthy, happy marriage.

-married woman of 20+ years.

[Anonymous]

The world absolutely runs better when women are submissive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again. Here is the whole verse:

Ephesians 5:22-33 NKJV. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

christians, particularly the males, always forget the second half of those verses.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

People need to also understand the context of why that letter was written. At the time, arranged marriages was still a thing, and women often did not respect their husbands, causing an acrimonious marriage.

This is a letter from Paul, a zealot. This is not a teaching from Christ. I know many Christians think Paul was an extension of Christ's teachings, but he was still human, prone to error, bias and influence from the culture of his time.

Take it all with a grain of salt. Women and men should honor and respect each other. That is what makes for a healthy, happy marriage.

-married woman of 20+ years.

I agree with you wholeheadertly which is why I asked if the preacher quoted the rest of the text upthread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The world absolutely runs better when women are submissive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

This only works if you go back to the "good old days" where wives were fine essentially being treated like the help and you never left your husband over affairs, physical abuse, etc. Also, it's not easy to find a husband that brings in a ton of bacon that is looking for this kind of wife (who tends to not be college educated or ever had a real career to start).

Duel career parents have to farm out their parenting responsibilities. It takes a lot more than bacon for children to have a healthy childhood. Who exactly loves your child as much as you do?

Most young people these days are suffering with extreme alienation. Why?

Oh FFS please don't turn this into another SAH vs WOH battles. PLEASE!!!! This has nothing to do with that.

Please stop with the SAH fat lie. No one stays at home unless you’re on your death bed. The SAH term was concocted by absentee mothers just to make themselves feel better about dropping their babies off at daycare. Again, no parent stays at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

This only works if you go back to the "good old days" where wives were fine essentially being treated like the help and you never left your husband over affairs, physical abuse, etc. Also, it's not easy to find a husband that brings in a ton of bacon that is looking for this kind of wife (who tends to not be college educated or ever had a real career to start).

Duel career parents have to farm out their parenting responsibilities. It takes a lot more than bacon for children to have a healthy childhood. Who exactly loves your child as much as you do?

Most young people these days are suffering with extreme alienation. Why?

Oh FFS please don't turn this into another SAH vs WOH battles. PLEASE!!!! This has nothing to do with that.

Please stop with the SAH fat lie. No one stays at home unless you’re on your death bed. The SAH term was concocted by absentee mothers just to make themselves feel better about dropping their babies off at daycare. Again, no parent stays at home.

Are they raising these children on the street? Inside of Starbucks? Stop being purposefully obtuse and arguing about nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.

I fear for that bride.

In other news, non-Christians don't understand Christian marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

If you're not the person bringing home the bacon, you are at distinct disadvantage. You have less power. You have less ability to leave if the other person is abusive. You have fewer opportunities if the other partner dies. You have reduced retirement savings and social security.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.

I fear for that bride.

In other news, non-Christians don't understand Christian marriage.

NP

I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear for anyone stupid enough to take that literally. A solid marriage is an equal partnership, not split down the middle 50/50.

I like the idea of one partner is primarily responsible to bring home the bacon, while the other one’s primary responsibility is to manage the home. Neither one is better than the other. They both help and support each other.

What’s not to like?

This only works if you go back to the "good old days" where wives were fine essentially being treated like the help and you never left your husband over affairs, physical abuse, etc. Also, it's not easy to find a husband that brings in a ton of bacon that is looking for this kind of wife (who tends to not be college educated or ever had a real career to start).

Duel career parents have to farm out their parenting responsibilities. It takes a lot more than bacon for children to have a healthy childhood. Who exactly loves your child as much as you do?

Most young people these days are suffering with extreme alienation. Why?

There is a difference between two dual-career parents that decide one should SAH vs. a woman who has decided that is her life when she is 18. I don't know any dual career parents that would have that reading at their wedding...even if one decides to SAH.

There are tons of young people with a SAH parent that suffer from alienation...so you to tell me who is to blame? It's not something that is unique to any parenting style.

The other thing that also seems to be conveniently forgotten is a high percentage of people are SAH because they don't like their job. It's not because they have some lofty parenting ambition. There are many very high powered dual-career parenting examples where neither has to continue working ever again...yet they both continue to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We went to wedding this weekend where the main reading was “wives submit to your husbands”.

I fear for that bride.

In other news, non-Christians don't understand Christian marriage.

NP

I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

It’s not like your view is valid.