Stanford REA

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If she did not receive need based financial aid from Stanford, then the family can afford Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

Only making $425k as a SpaceX executive?

DP,

VP is an executive position.
You should google salaries.
Too many people have highly unrealistic views of what people earn.

I'd imagine a VP would make more than a software manager, who is making $600k+ at SpaceX?
https://www.levels.fyi/companies/spacex/salaries/software-engineering-manager

it took like 15 seconds to google this
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/SpaceX-Vice-President-Production-Salaries-E40371_D_KO7,32.htm

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

Sounds like you are still paying catch up in your 30s, but lack the self-awareness to realize it. Since you are insecure enough to tout your credentials on an anonymous message board, and remain such a striver, I think you unwittingly make an excellent case for Stanford.

You think PP is playing catch up? With whom? An infant that was born with an honorable doctorate or a toddler that sketched one out with crayons? An insufferable sloth that was born into family money and has done little to nothing for the betterment of society? I doubt PP is attempting to compete with such whimsical nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

Sounds like you are still paying catch up in your 30s, but lack the self-awareness to realize it. Since you are insecure enough to tout your credentials on an anonymous message board, and remain such a striver, I think you unwittingly make an excellent case for Stanford.

You think PP is playing catch up? With whom? An infant that was born with an honorable doctorate or a toddler that sketched one out with crayons? An insufferable sloth that was born into family money and has done little to nothing for the betterment of society? I doubt PP is attempting to compete with such whimsical nonsense.

Talk about awkward turns of phrase!

[Anonymous]

Good ideas in this thread for the person looking for great ECs

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

And yet you work for a Nazi.

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Anonymous wrote:The world needs more Stanford-educated blacksmiths.

You're not wrong. The VC douchebags that Stanford produces these days aren't exactly making the world a better place. The ability to make a good horseshoe would be a better skill set than the parasites that Stanford is producing these days. And I say that as someone with three generations that went to Stanford. It is not what it once was.

Pity that they did away with legacy admissions. A single policy change can change a worldview

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Anonymous wrote:Ivies no longer want all these stupid math competitions. They don’t want quizbowl. They don’t want Olympiad. Be different.

My kid got into an ivy with something similar to the blacksmith extracurricular. Obviously had the grades and the scores to meet the baseline.

You guys are all missing the point.
See the forest through the trees.

this......
how can we scream this from the mountaintop?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

And yet you work for a Nazi.

Grow up. Take your hate to the politics forum. It doesn't belong here

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford wants to admit students who will change the world - more creative or unusual, if not an athlete.

Yes, sure. We don't need a ChatGPT bot statement like that.

It’s literally what their AOs have said. You can choose to ignore them, but they have made it fairly clear that perfect/near perfect SATs, Olympiad medals, and robotics do not really move the needle. A student with such a profile is wasting their ED/REA opportunity with Stanford.

My kid was rejected REA from Stanford a couple of years ago. 1600/4.0.

Rd — accepted to MIT and Harvard.

We are in Massachusetts so we are pretty sure it was yield protection. They knew my kid would be accepted by MIT or Harvard and would go there. Yield matters for rankings. Stanford brags they reject the perfect kids …. Because they know the perfect SAT/GPA are going to have choices and are not going to yield as it’s not ED.

So I really want to encourage those whose kids were rejected this year to tell your kids to not give up hope. Apply to the Ivies and/or MIT. Good luck!

Lol at your utterly baseless accusation of yield protection. The fact that your kid applied early to Stanford rather than MIT or Harvard speaks volumes about their preferences and your sour grapes.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford wants to admit students who will change the world - more creative or unusual, if not an athlete.

Yes, sure. We don't need a ChatGPT bot statement like that.

It’s literally what their AOs have said. You can choose to ignore them, but they have made it fairly clear that perfect/near perfect SATs, Olympiad medals, and robotics do not really move the needle. A student with such a profile is wasting their ED/REA opportunity with Stanford.

My kid was rejected REA from Stanford a couple of years ago. 1600/4.0.

Rd — accepted to MIT and Harvard.

We are in Massachusetts so we are pretty sure it was yield protection. They knew my kid would be accepted by MIT or Harvard and would go there. Yield matters for rankings. Stanford brags they reject the perfect kids …. Because they know the perfect SAT/GPA are going to have choices and are not going to yield as it’s not ED.

So I really want to encourage those whose kids were rejected this year to tell your kids to not give up hope. Apply to the Ivies and/or MIT. Good luck!

HYPSM do not yield protect. They’re the only schools who can admit who they want and don’t have to worry about yield. I know a Regeneron finalist who got deferred from HYP SCEA and accepted RD to all the top colleges including the one deferred at (MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton) EXCEPT Stanford. Not many get into all HYPSM. Usually rejected or WL by at least one.

Stanford (and other top schools) reject plenty of perfect or near perfect stat kids every year who end up getting into a peer school (HYPM). Congrats on your kid getting into Harvard and MIT. I’m sure they are amazing and would have excelled at Stanford too. But they didn’t get rejected from Stanford because of yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe there is a discussion between Stanford and GMU - yeah!!

I did GMU CS and its not a guarantee that a Stanford admit will dominate. We had people graduate from GMU and then go to Stanford, so I can gauge the quality of a Stanford admit. The top end of GMU is Stanford off-course but not a domination level.

That said - Stanford has the advantage of more opportunities. People look at a resume and Stanford will get you an interview. Mano a Mano - there are some GMU guys that hold their own.

Perhaps. We’re talking about a B.S. from GMU for $60K vs. a B.S. from Stanford for $360K. Stanford is 6X the price point of GMU. Is it six times as valuable? Entry level programmer with no experience from GMU could easily make $90K and get a job in a flash. Are we saying the same kid graduating from Stanford is going to make $540K?!? That’s preposterous. Not sure the ROI is there with Stanford. C, C++, and Java are the same languages no matter where you study. Books and reference materials are all the same.

Big difference is kids at GMU that excel do so because they’re exceptional and self-motivated. Kids at Stanford excel because they’re simply keeping up with the pack. Most people are lazy and need the external push you get at Stanford to be forced to succeed. Same kids that are coddled by underwhelming helicopter parents.

Go with GMU PP. Your DD sounds like a highly capable superstar as opposed to a false front DCUM poser.

So my bragging rights for GMU is that I graduated without debt. I got hired quicker than my "college town" higher ranked friends - GMU has a co-op/internship program next to DC really helped. GMU is a hidden gem that the local snobbery ignore. If you compare GMU vs any other school besides: MIT or Stanford - I'd agree hands down.

The only thing left out of the equation above is that the Silicon Valley guys are dominated with Stanford guys. They are snobs themselves and put their own above anyone else. And you are buying a $300K name on paper and hoping it pays out in the future.

I guess it depends on your goals - if you want to stay in this area and have a decent living GMU. if you want a VC with a shot at becoming insanely wealthy then Stanford? though this is a long-shot.

Applied to and was accepted at MIT but couldn’t afford to go since my parents had too much HHI but hadn’t actually saved anything for any of us for college. Instead, I attended George Mason University and spent $0 to get a B.S. degree in electrical engineering as a University Scholar. After that, I applied to MIT again and was awarded a research fellowship in AeroAstro. Received my S.M. and Ph.D. degrees in Aerospace Engineering. Again, both for $0 in exchange for banging out a dozen or so peer-reviewed conference and journal papers.

Now I am an executive at SpaceX, 5 years after completing my Ph.D., making $425K, and now enrolled at Penn in the Wharton Executive MBA program…yet again for $0, thanks to my generous employer!

One bachelors, two masters, one doctorate, one Ivy, two T10 schools, one prestigious scholarship, and one prestigious research fellowship. All for $0?!? There’s no way I’m embarrassed for having attended GMU — it’s the icing on the cake, as it were. There’s only one catch: you actually need to be willing to work hard.

And yet you work for a Nazi.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Kid from my DC’s high school last year was a regeneron finalist and was deferred from SCEA school (later admitted), admitted to nearly every school in RD EXCEPT Stanford. That kid is at Harvard now. Don’t know who gets into Stanford nowadays.

Have friends where between the parents they hold FIVE degrees from Stanford. Kid is super smart as described above. Was rejected from Stanford. Got into all other schools applied to. Is at MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid from my DC’s high school last year was a regeneron finalist and was deferred from SCEA school (later admitted), admitted to nearly every school in RD EXCEPT Stanford. That kid is at Harvard now. Don’t know who gets into Stanford nowadays.

Have friends where between the parents they hold FIVE degrees from Stanford. Kid is super smart as described above. Was rejected from Stanford. Got into all other schools applied to. Is at MIT.

The Stanford kids we know are super gregarious. Might even have a B. Very very outgoing and filled with unconventional leadership.
They are the kids you remember. I can't see most of the Stanford admits choosing MIT or Harvard.
Very different kind of kid these days.

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DC at Stanford. In during REA. CS major. Didn’t even apply to MIT. That wasn’t their vibe and I’m confident they wouldn’t have been happy there. Has one friend who was rejected from MIT (as a MITES alum too) but the only other school their Stanford peers considered attending and were deciding between was Harvard. Just a small sample of course but makes sense. Extremely diverse friend group. All super outgoing, accomplished, interesting, and do a million things including have lots of fun.