Democrats: Harris is going to win. Act like it!

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Anonymous wrote:this sums up her cnn townhall, my favorite is that she lost a one person debate

This is damning man.

This is what happens when you skip a primary for the presidential candidate.

I've been saying for months that she's not horrible like Trump and different but that does not make her better.

I've also been saying for months, sell herself with confidence v talking ad nauseum about how terrible Trump is.

I won't vote for either candidate but I almost think Trump deserves to win because she sucks so bad. UGH.

UGH indeed. Exit polls are pointing to a Harris win. I am an independent, but want someone competent in the office. This does not bode well.

She's run a nearly flawless campaign in the last 3 months from basically a standing start. No slip ups and terrible optics "deplorables" or "clinging to guns" comments. No scandals of her own. She nailed the VP pick. She nailed the debate. She did great on Fox News. She's out campaigning in force in every swing state and pushing GOTV. She's published detailed policy positions. What more do you want from her? And please tell us where the mythical politician who is "competent" and electable and experienced might be?

Then why is she bombing the townhalls and interviews? CNN is aghast.

Which ones? Citation please.

All of them. She hasn't done a good one yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why isn't Kamala campaigning this week? For the second day in a row - 13 days before the election - no rallies, no appearances. Just prepping for short sit-down interviews.

I hate to be the one to put this out there, but - I think she's thrown in the towel. How else to read this?

OP, your enthusiasm is appreciated, but if the candidate doesn't have it, how can we?

This week:
Vice President Kamala Harris and former Rep. Liz Cheney on Monday wrapped up a series of moderated conversations in Wisconsin, where they continued to make the case that Donald Trump is unfit for the presidency.

On Tuesday, she will record an interview with NBC’s Hallie Jackson at 3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, D.C. At 4:30 p.m., the Democratic nominee will tape an interview with Telemundo’s Julio Vaqueiro.

Harris will travel to Pennsylvania on Wednesday and participate in a CNN Town Hall event in Chester Township, just outside of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.

On Thursday, the vice president will be in Georgia for a campaign rally, joined by former President Barack Obama

Harris is expected to visit Texas on Friday to attend a campaign event in Houston focusing on abortion rights and rally with Rep. Colin Allred, D-Texas plus recording Berne Brown’s podcast.

Ok, so that’s like one event per travel day, with the exception of the last day, where she does 2 events.

That’s not nearly enough. He’s doing 2-3 travel events a day, with interviews in between.


She’s acting like she’s not really interested in winning. I don’t understand it, or her motivation here.

It’s worrisome.

Everything that I have read about Harris’s management style as Veep indicates someone who is very high maintenance. This is most likely an intentional schedule either requested by her or decided by her team to maximize her performance and limit her exposure. Effectively to stage manage her, which has been a strong theme of her campaign.

She is a pampered childless California liberal- what else do you expect?

I mean yes. I’m a mom and lawyer and it is jarring to me that she never married until she was 50 and also never had kids but thinks she can relate to what most families go through. She is not qualified to talk to me about childcare or managing a household with groceries or the impact of anything on our schools or the issues of balancing work and family or the struggling of saving for college. And her choice of husband is questionable. We all know why. So I literally cannot relate to her as a women. She has as much insight into my life as a 15 year old or my 85 year old mother in law who went from her parents home to her husbands and never had a job. I wouldn’t elect a 15 year old or my MIL. And in the areas where she should be shining, like her amazing prosecutorial skills of verbal persuasion, she is a spectacular failure! She is such a mess.

Yes, I think her campaigning as a “mother” might be a strategic mistake. She literally got married to Doug when the kids were 15 and 19 years old. The kids first met her one year before that. It is insulting to many actual mothers to call yourself a mom when you weren’t involved in the kids lives at all until they were basically adults.

I am a mom and I've never gotten the feeling Harris is trying to tell me how to parent or manage a household. Why would that be something a president does? There has never been a presidential candidate (in the general) who I felt could fully understand my experience as a mom or a middle class person managing a household. Including Hillary. These people never really know what it's like to be a regular person. They aren't regular.

I actually think being a step parent to two teens gives her street cred as a parent though. Teens are hard. Step-parenting can be awkward and I think it's actually hardest during the teen years when parents have to negotiate how much freedom to give kids and how. It's easier when kids are younger and more under parental control because there are fewer decisions where a step-parent would need to weight in -- you just do what the bio parents decide and don't mess with it. With teens you have to deal with stuff like kids driving and having access to drugs or alcohol through peers and there are more occasions where you might interact with your stepkid 1:1 and it's not obvious how you should handle it based on what their parents want. Kids are pulling away and it's easier to get caught in the middle. It's a unique situation and I have no doubt it has been meaningful to her in terms of understanding what it is to be responsible for the well being of children.

Trump calls himself a dad and I think he barely interacted with his kids until they were adults except Ivanka and their relationship is creep AF. He's been married multiple times and cheated on all his wives. He's never really shopped for groceries or helped a kid with homework or dont anything normal people do.

Harris strikes me as more normal and in touch with the experience of average Americans than Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why isn't Kamala campaigning this week? For the second day in a row - 13 days before the election - no rallies, no appearances. Just prepping for short sit-down interviews.

I hate to be the one to put this out there, but - I think she's thrown in the towel. How else to read this?

OP, your enthusiasm is appreciated, but if the candidate doesn't have it, how can we?

This week:
Vice President Kamala Harris and former Rep. Liz Cheney on Monday wrapped up a series of moderated conversations in Wisconsin, where they continued to make the case that Donald Trump is unfit for the presidency.

On Tuesday, she will record an interview with NBC’s Hallie Jackson at 3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, D.C. At 4:30 p.m., the Democratic nominee will tape an interview with Telemundo’s Julio Vaqueiro.

Harris will travel to Pennsylvania on Wednesday and participate in a CNN Town Hall event in Chester Township, just outside of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.

On Thursday, the vice president will be in Georgia for a campaign rally, joined by former President Barack Obama

Harris is expected to visit Texas on Friday to attend a campaign event in Houston focusing on abortion rights and rally with Rep. Colin Allred, D-Texas plus recording Berne Brown’s podcast.

Ok, so that’s like one event per travel day, with the exception of the last day, where she does 2 events.

That’s not nearly enough. He’s doing 2-3 travel events a day, with interviews in between.


She’s acting like she’s not really interested in winning. I don’t understand it, or her motivation here.

It’s worrisome.

Everything that I have read about Harris’s management style as Veep indicates someone who is very high maintenance. This is most likely an intentional schedule either requested by her or decided by her team to maximize her performance and limit her exposure. Effectively to stage manage her, which has been a strong theme of her campaign.

She is a pampered childless California liberal- what else do you expect?

I mean yes. I’m a mom and lawyer and it is jarring to me that she never married until she was 50 and also never had kids but thinks she can relate to what most families go through. She is not qualified to talk to me about childcare or managing a household with groceries or the impact of anything on our schools or the issues of balancing work and family or the struggling of saving for college. And her choice of husband is questionable. We all know why. So I literally cannot relate to her as a women. She has as much insight into my life as a 15 year old or my 85 year old mother in law who went from her parents home to her husbands and never had a job. I wouldn’t elect a 15 year old or my MIL. And in the areas where she should be shining, like her amazing prosecutorial skills of verbal persuasion, she is a spectacular failure! She is such a mess.

Yes, I think her campaigning as a “mother” might be a strategic mistake. She literally got married to Doug when the kids were 15 and 19 years old. The kids first met her one year before that. It is insulting to many actual mothers to call yourself a mom when you weren’t involved in the kids lives at all until they were basically adults.

I am a mom and I've never gotten the feeling Harris is trying to tell me how to parent or manage a household. Why would that be something a president does? There has never been a presidential candidate (in the general) who I felt could fully understand my experience as a mom or a middle class person managing a household. Including Hillary. These people never really know what it's like to be a regular person. They aren't regular.

I actually think being a step parent to two teens gives her street cred as a parent though. Teens are hard. Step-parenting can be awkward and I think it's actually hardest during the teen years when parents have to negotiate how much freedom to give kids and how. It's easier when kids are younger and more under parental control because there are fewer decisions where a step-parent would need to weight in -- you just do what the bio parents decide and don't mess with it. With teens you have to deal with stuff like kids driving and having access to drugs or alcohol through peers and there are more occasions where you might interact with your stepkid 1:1 and it's not obvious how you should handle it based on what their parents want. Kids are pulling away and it's easier to get caught in the middle. It's a unique situation and I have no doubt it has been meaningful to her in terms of understanding what it is to be responsible for the well being of children.

Trump calls himself a dad and I think he barely interacted with his kids until they were adults except Ivanka and their relationship is creep AF. He's been married multiple times and cheated on all his wives. He's never really shopped for groceries or helped a kid with homework or dont anything normal people do.

Harris strikes me as more normal and in touch with the experience of average Americans than Trump.

Completely agree. So why doesn't she go with that?

Instead, in typical Kamala who-are-you inauthenticity, she goes on and on about "raising children" and speaking as though we've forgotten she doesn't have any of her own.

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Anonymous wrote:this sums up her cnn townhall, my favorite is that she lost a one person debate

This is damning man.

This is what happens when you skip a primary for the presidential candidate.

I've been saying for months that she's not horrible like Trump and different but that does not make her better.

I've also been saying for months, sell herself with confidence v talking ad nauseum about how terrible Trump is.

I won't vote for either candidate but I almost think Trump deserves to win because she sucks so bad. UGH.

UGH indeed. Exit polls are pointing to a Harris win. I am an independent, but want someone competent in the office. This does not bode well.

She's run a nearly flawless campaign in the last 3 months from basically a standing start. No slip ups and terrible optics "deplorables" or "clinging to guns" comments. No scandals of her own. She nailed the VP pick. She nailed the debate. She did great on Fox News. She's out campaigning in force in every swing state and pushing GOTV. She's published detailed policy positions. What more do you want from her? And please tell us where the mythical politician who is "competent" and electable and experienced might be?

Then why is she bombing the townhalls and interviews? CNN is aghast.

Which ones? Citation please.

All of them. She hasn't done a good one yet.

I thought she was very good in the Fox interview and the recent NBC interview. I think she's getting better at interviews. I also thought she was very solid in the debate and fantastic in her convention speech. She's middling to bad at these town halls but good on the stump with her prepared speeches and has done well in some of the unusual interviews she's done like Call me daddy and Howard Stern.

That's good enough for me. She's not a phenomenal retail politician but I've always felt that skill is a double edged sword -- Bill Clinton is the single best retail politician I've ever seen in my lifetime and I think he was kind of a crap president and also not a good a person. His charisma on the campaign trail translates into a narcissist and sell out when in office. It's not a good trade off. W was also a good retail politician (in part because of how good he was at seeming almost inept but in a likeable way -- a perfect foil for Clinton) but turns out he was actually inept. That folksy charm that made him feel down to earth as a politician translated to him allowing advisors to run his foreign policy and a lot of unforced errors on domestic policy (from supreme court picks to Hurricane Katrina) that ultimately resulted in a bad president who made multiple HUGE and costly mistakes abroad.

And Trump is this phenomenon on steroids -- the man understands media strategy in a way I'm not sure any other candidate has before. He is like if a very savvy and cynical professional political marketing whiz was the actual candidate. He's not just listening to smart people on how to position himself PR wise -- it's all instinct and self-driven with him. And yet also that's ALL he is. He has no actual beliefs. He just panders and says what he thinks will net him the most clicks and clips (or when campaigning - votes). It's not just that Trump can't make the pivot to governing from campaigning. It's that his governance is all campaign and nothing else. He is purely motivated by his own self interest and aggrandizement even more than past presidents (who are always at least somewhat motivated by this). There's no there there.

Harris isn't a great politician but she does well enough on the set piece politics (big speeches and staying on message) and her policies are palatable to me. She's the obvious choice here. Were the Republican candidate someone like Nikki Haley or Larry Hogan it would be more of a toss up but it's not. It's Trump. We're really going to quibble about how good she is at town halls? Who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why isn't Kamala campaigning this week? For the second day in a row - 13 days before the election - no rallies, no appearances. Just prepping for short sit-down interviews.

I hate to be the one to put this out there, but - I think she's thrown in the towel. How else to read this?

OP, your enthusiasm is appreciated, but if the candidate doesn't have it, how can we?

This week:
Vice President Kamala Harris and former Rep. Liz Cheney on Monday wrapped up a series of moderated conversations in Wisconsin, where they continued to make the case that Donald Trump is unfit for the presidency.

On Tuesday, she will record an interview with NBC’s Hallie Jackson at 3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, D.C. At 4:30 p.m., the Democratic nominee will tape an interview with Telemundo’s Julio Vaqueiro.

Harris will travel to Pennsylvania on Wednesday and participate in a CNN Town Hall event in Chester Township, just outside of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.

On Thursday, the vice president will be in Georgia for a campaign rally, joined by former President Barack Obama

Harris is expected to visit Texas on Friday to attend a campaign event in Houston focusing on abortion rights and rally with Rep. Colin Allred, D-Texas plus recording Berne Brown’s podcast.

Ok, so that’s like one event per travel day, with the exception of the last day, where she does 2 events.

That’s not nearly enough. He’s doing 2-3 travel events a day, with interviews in between.


She’s acting like she’s not really interested in winning. I don’t understand it, or her motivation here.

It’s worrisome.

Everything that I have read about Harris’s management style as Veep indicates someone who is very high maintenance. This is most likely an intentional schedule either requested by her or decided by her team to maximize her performance and limit her exposure. Effectively to stage manage her, which has been a strong theme of her campaign.

She is a pampered childless California liberal- what else do you expect?

I mean yes. I’m a mom and lawyer and it is jarring to me that she never married until she was 50 and also never had kids but thinks she can relate to what most families go through. She is not qualified to talk to me about childcare or managing a household with groceries or the impact of anything on our schools or the issues of balancing work and family or the struggling of saving for college. And her choice of husband is questionable. We all know why. So I literally cannot relate to her as a women. She has as much insight into my life as a 15 year old or my 85 year old mother in law who went from her parents home to her husbands and never had a job. I wouldn’t elect a 15 year old or my MIL. And in the areas where she should be shining, like her amazing prosecutorial skills of verbal persuasion, she is a spectacular failure! She is such a mess.

Yes, I think her campaigning as a “mother” might be a strategic mistake. She literally got married to Doug when the kids were 15 and 19 years old. The kids first met her one year before that. It is insulting to many actual mothers to call yourself a mom when you weren’t involved in the kids lives at all until they were basically adults.

I am a mom and I've never gotten the feeling Harris is trying to tell me how to parent or manage a household. Why would that be something a president does? There has never been a presidential candidate (in the general) who I felt could fully understand my experience as a mom or a middle class person managing a household. Including Hillary. These people never really know what it's like to be a regular person. They aren't regular.

I actually think being a step parent to two teens gives her street cred as a parent though. Teens are hard. Step-parenting can be awkward and I think it's actually hardest during the teen years when parents have to negotiate how much freedom to give kids and how. It's easier when kids are younger and more under parental control because there are fewer decisions where a step-parent would need to weight in -- you just do what the bio parents decide and don't mess with it. With teens you have to deal with stuff like kids driving and having access to drugs or alcohol through peers and there are more occasions where you might interact with your stepkid 1:1 and it's not obvious how you should handle it based on what their parents want. Kids are pulling away and it's easier to get caught in the middle. It's a unique situation and I have no doubt it has been meaningful to her in terms of understanding what it is to be responsible for the well being of children.

Trump calls himself a dad and I think he barely interacted with his kids until they were adults except Ivanka and their relationship is creep AF. He's been married multiple times and cheated on all his wives. He's never really shopped for groceries or helped a kid with homework or dont anything normal people do.

Harris strikes me as more normal and in touch with the experience of average Americans than Trump.

Completely agree. So why doesn't she go with that?

Instead, in typical Kamala who-are-you inauthenticity, she goes on and on about "raising children" and speaking as though we've forgotten she doesn't have any of her own.

I haven't seen her go on and on about this I guess. I heard it mentioned at the convention (mostly in Doug's speech which makes sense) and I saw the comment at the town hall yesterday where she mentioned making mistakes "as a parent." Otherwise I haven't noticed that she emphasizes being a mom really at all.

She doesn't talk that much about herself and when she does get auto-biographical she seems to talk most about her mom and sister. It seems like those are the most formative relationships of her life (and it does sound like she plays a kind of maternal roll in her sister's life fwiw -- not uncommon in families of divorce with older sibs).

She can be awkard but doesn't strike me as inauthentic. In fact her awkwardness in fact feel authentic -- she's kind of weird nerd.

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Anonymous wrote:this sums up her cnn townhall, my favorite is that she lost a one person debate

This is damning man.

This is what happens when you skip a primary for the presidential candidate.

I've been saying for months that she's not horrible like Trump and different but that does not make her better.

I've also been saying for months, sell herself with confidence v talking ad nauseum about how terrible Trump is.

I won't vote for either candidate but I almost think Trump deserves to win because she sucks so bad. UGH.

UGH indeed. Exit polls are pointing to a Harris win. I am an independent, but want someone competent in the office. This does not bode well.

She's run a nearly flawless campaign in the last 3 months from basically a standing start. No slip ups and terrible optics "deplorables" or "clinging to guns" comments. No scandals of her own. She nailed the VP pick. She nailed the debate. She did great on Fox News. She's out campaigning in force in every swing state and pushing GOTV. She's published detailed policy positions. What more do you want from her? And please tell us where the mythical politician who is "competent" and electable and experienced might be?

LMAO. FLAWLESS? Are you kidding? She's basically running a campaign that suggests because Trump is deplorable, she should win. Nothing about her, all about how he sucks therefore she should win.

No slip ups? She can't talk unscripted. Even CNN which is not a MAGA channel admits this.

No scandals? Are you seeing how little she is able to sell about her time as VP, about her time as DA in CA, about anything she's done with immigration?

VP pick? You mean Walz who "lost" his debate to a sociopath?

The Debate? You mean against a 80 yr old buffoon? I mean if she couldn't win that debate she needs to be locked up in the asylum.

Fox News? I don't know that I'd say she was a hit as much as I'd say she didn't royally mess it up to the point of no return.

Let's face it - against any other candidate than a convicted felon and as messed up as Trump - she'd be out.

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CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

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Anonymous wrote:this sums up her cnn townhall, my favorite is that she lost a one person debate

This is damning man.

This is what happens when you skip a primary for the presidential candidate.

I've been saying for months that she's not horrible like Trump and different but that does not make her better.

I've also been saying for months, sell herself with confidence v talking ad nauseum about how terrible Trump is.

I won't vote for either candidate but I almost think Trump deserves to win because she sucks so bad. UGH.

UGH indeed. Exit polls are pointing to a Harris win. I am an independent, but want someone competent in the office. This does not bode well.

She's run a nearly flawless campaign in the last 3 months from basically a standing start. No slip ups and terrible optics "deplorables" or "clinging to guns" comments. No scandals of her own. She nailed the VP pick. She nailed the debate. She did great on Fox News. She's out campaigning in force in every swing state and pushing GOTV. She's published detailed policy positions. What more do you want from her? And please tell us where the mythical politician who is "competent" and electable and experienced might be?

LMAO. FLAWLESS? Are you kidding? She's basically running a campaign that suggests because Trump is deplorable, she should win. Nothing about her, all about how he sucks therefore she should win.

No slip ups? She can't talk unscripted. Even CNN which is not a MAGA channel admits this.

No scandals? Are you seeing how little she is able to sell about her time as VP, about her time as DA in CA, about anything she's done with immigration?

VP pick? You mean Walz who "lost" his debate to a sociopath?

The Debate? You mean against a 80 yr old buffoon? I mean if she couldn't win that debate she needs to be locked up in the asylum.

Fox News? I don't know that I'd say she was a hit as much as I'd say she didn't royally mess it up to the point of no return.

Let's face it - against any other candidate than a convicted felon and as messed up as Trump - she'd be out.

I bet she'd be better than Theo Von.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

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She inspires no confidence.

She coasts. She does not make it happen.

Her entire agenda is to take from one group and give to another, just like Biden. Hard pass.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

Word salad city, - David Axelrod

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

Well good thing DeSantis didn't speak to her then, huh? What was her complaint?

She's not the boss.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

Word salad city, - David Axelrod

Does she have dementia? No. Does she spend 40 minutes dancing to Ave Maria or talking about a dead golfer's junk? No. Is she a convicted felon or convicted in a court of law rapist or has attempted a coup or been impeached twice? No.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

Word salad city, - David Axelrod

Does she have dementia? No. Does she spend 40 minutes dancing to Ave Maria or talking about a dead golfer's junk? No. Is she a convicted felon or convicted in a court of law rapist or has attempted a coup or been impeached twice? No.

Does Harris seem to be intelligent, in addition to all that? Yes. I plan to vote for her.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN: “You've been in the White House four years. Why wasn’t any of that done the last four years?”

Kamala: “There was a lot that was done, but there’s more to do. I'm pointing out things that need to be done that haven't been done but need to be done.”

She's not the boss, you moron. What don't you understand about this?

Word salad city, - David Axelrod

Does she have dementia? No. Does she spend 40 minutes dancing to Ave Maria or talking about a dead golfer's junk? No. Is she a convicted felon or convicted in a court of law rapist or has attempted a coup or been impeached twice? No.

Take it up with David Axelrod. He's the one who appears to be so upset over her performances.