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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]this sums up her cnn townhall, my favorite is that she lost a one person debate

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This is damning man.[/quote]
This is what happens when you skip a primary for the presidential candidate.[/quote]

I've been saying for months that she's not horrible like Trump and different but that does not make her better.

I've also been saying for months, sell herself with confidence v talking ad nauseum about how terrible Trump is.

I won't vote for either candidate but I almost think Trump deserves to win because she sucks so bad. UGH.[/quote]

UGH indeed. Exit polls are pointing to a Harris win. I am an independent, but want someone competent in the office. This does not bode well.[/quote]

She's run a nearly flawless campaign in the last 3 months from basically a standing start. No slip ups and terrible optics "deplorables" or "clinging to guns" comments. No scandals of her own. She nailed the VP pick. She nailed the debate. She did great on Fox News. She's out campaigning in force in every swing state and pushing GOTV. She's published detailed policy positions. What more do you want from her? And please tell us where the mythical politician who is "competent" and electable and experienced might be?[/quote]

Then why is she bombing the townhalls and interviews? CNN is aghast.[/quote]

Which ones? Citation please. [/quote]

All of them. She hasn't done a good one yet.[/quote]

I thought she was very good in the Fox interview and the recent NBC interview. I think she's getting better at interviews. I also thought she was very solid in the debate and fantastic in her convention speech. She's middling to bad at these town halls but good on the stump with her prepared speeches and has done well in some of the unusual interviews she's done like Call me daddy and Howard Stern.

That's good enough for me. She's not a phenomenal retail politician but I've always felt that skill is a double edged sword -- Bill Clinton is the single best retail politician I've ever seen in my lifetime and I think he was kind of a crap president and also not a good a person. His charisma on the campaign trail translates into a narcissist and sell out when in office. It's not a good trade off. W was also a good retail politician (in part because of how good he was at seeming almost inept but in a likeable way -- a perfect foil for Clinton) but turns out he was actually inept. That folksy charm that made him feel down to earth as a politician translated to him allowing advisors to run his foreign policy and a lot of unforced errors on domestic policy (from supreme court picks to Hurricane Katrina) that ultimately resulted in a bad president who made multiple HUGE and costly mistakes abroad.

And Trump is this phenomenon on steroids -- the man understands media strategy in a way I'm not sure any other candidate has before. He is like if a very savvy and cynical professional political marketing whiz was the actual candidate. He's not just listening to smart people on how to position himself PR wise -- it's all instinct and self-driven with him. And yet also that's ALL he is. He has no actual beliefs. He just panders and says what he thinks will net him the most clicks and clips (or when campaigning - votes). It's not just that Trump can't make the pivot to governing from campaigning. It's that his governance is all campaign and nothing else. He is purely motivated by his own self interest and aggrandizement even more than past presidents (who are always at least somewhat motivated by this). There's no there there.

Harris isn't a great politician but she does well enough on the set piece politics (big speeches and staying on message) and her policies are palatable to me. She's the obvious choice here. Were the Republican candidate someone like Nikki Haley or Larry Hogan it would be more of a toss up but it's not. It's Trump. We're really going to quibble about how good she is at town halls? Who cares.[/quote]

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