FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.



DP than the person you are responding to but, unless you work for Gatehouse, you yourself have absolutely no idea where all the problem areas are and likely zero experience implementing county-wide boundary changes. That’s why we are waiting for the professionals to propose appropriate solutions.

You seem to continue to want to debate about the merits of even conducting the review, but we are past that stage.


Yeah dum dum. Get with the program. We are going to upend your kids’ lives in the name of equity making a lot of unnecessary changes because we are an echo chamber and pretend that these changes are necessary to save transportation costs (with double bus runs). We will limit grandfathering to save minimal money over mental health.

We hired a no bid contract “professional” with no relevant experience to be able to push this through in the fall of 2026 so that we can try to avoid a political price for this. Speaking of politics, we didn’t disclose our plans when we ran for the school board last year.

You need to fall in line dum dum. You should not advocate for your kids.

-sincerely Sandy Anderson and the rest of us
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.



DP than the person you are responding to but, unless you work for Gatehouse, you yourself have absolutely no idea where all the problem areas are and likely zero experience implementing county-wide boundary changes. That’s why we are waiting for the professionals to propose appropriate solutions.

You seem to continue to want to debate about the merits of even conducting the review, but we are past that stage.


This is just shilling for the School Board. Nothing specific here at all - just an unsupported claim that there are problems that only a third-party consultant can remedy.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.


It’s not worth changing the boundaries as long as the overcrowding or under-enrollment is not acute. That’s long been the position of FCPS, and one with which parents agreed. The only reason why they are harping on this now is that they see it as a means to alter school demographics (not enrollment numbers per se).

If there is a specific issue with a split apartment complex somewhere (you weren’t specific) it is perfectly within FCPS’s ability to address without a third-party consultant.

Whatever comes out of this will not accomplish what you seem to think will happen. They can give every pyramid (though not every school) some apartments but they can’t eliminate split feeders as long as TJ is a magnet. For example, not that long ago they deliberately turned Thoreau into a three-way split feeder. Do you really they are going to unwind that now?
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.

I’m pretty sure I know which schools you’re talking about, and the apartment complex was originally zoned to the further school (Freedom Hill,) but they split it and sent part of it to the closer school (Lemon Road) to alleviate capacity and prevent the closer school from closing due to under enrollment.

Now the closer school is at capacity while the further school is under enrolled. The only way the closer school can pick up the rest of the students is if they remove the AAP center. The closer school is also a split feeder (Marshall/McLean), and while I think it will remain a split feeder, they might align it with a single high school (McLean) in which case those apartments would definitely be sent back to the further school, as they are steps away from Marshall High School.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


You loaded up on the snark but said nothing about how these boundary changes are necessary or would make anything better for anyone.

It suggests you like reshuffling people just to piss them off, which isn't a great look for you, much less the School Board.


It makes every school heavy with ELL and lowers SES for some and raises for others. Obvs.


Obvs that isn’t going to help any individual students. Not at the high school level anyway. Those kids are already tracked into ell or IB or AP programs. So why switch the high schoolers?

The only reason is to improve metrics.


Maybe it's because there are parents who hate that their high schoolers are on the bus for almost an hour to get to and from school when there are at least two other high schools that are only 10 minutes away that they could be going to? You think this is all about politics but it's not, there are real children impacted by this, and we are not concerned about if our kids can stay with their friends, we're concerned that our kids will be able to have an hour and a half of their lives back every day.


The only place I can think of where this is even remotely the case is Langley/Herndon with the kids at the far western edge of the county. But is Herndon closed to pupil placements right now? Couldn’t you just place there for a shorter commute?


This is the FCPS HS Boundary map. It's a lot more than Langley. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25HighSchoolBoundaries.pdf


I think a lot of people on this board don't know how bad rush hour traffic gets and that nowadays rush hour traffic goes in ALL directions.


Ok, so it’s western Great Falls on the far north end of the county and the western bounds of Oakton? I don’t think you can count far-flung areas like Mason Neck and Clifton in this because those kids have to go to school somewhere. And without the mythical new western HS, there’s nothing that can be done to move kids to Chantilly or Centreville.


Did you look at the map? What about the southern part of Fairfax County. I think those people complain too, they're just not rich and bored and on DCUM all day.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.

I’m pretty sure I know which schools you’re talking about, and the apartment complex was originally zoned to the further school (Freedom Hill,) but they split it and sent part of it to the closer school (Lemon Road) to alleviate capacity and prevent the closer school from closing due to under enrollment.

Now the closer school is at capacity while the further school is under enrolled. The only way the closer school can pick up the rest of the students is if they remove the AAP center. The closer school is also a split feeder (Marshall/McLean), and while I think it will remain a split feeder, they might align it with a single high school (McLean) in which case those apartments would definitely be sent back to the further school, as they are steps away from Marshall High School.


So people want every school to have apartments, but when a large multi-building apartment complex is assigned to two elementary schools (but the same MS and HS) it’s a big problem to be fixed?

If they plow ahead with Dunn Loring, despite any need for that school, all those boundaries are going to have to change anyway - after the consultant has done its work.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.

I’m pretty sure I know which schools you’re talking about, and the apartment complex was originally zoned to the further school (Freedom Hill,) but they split it and sent part of it to the closer school (Lemon Road) to alleviate capacity and prevent the closer school from closing due to under enrollment.

Now the closer school is at capacity while the further school is under enrolled. The only way the closer school can pick up the rest of the students is if they remove the AAP center. The closer school is also a split feeder (Marshall/McLean), and while I think it will remain a split feeder, they might align it with a single high school (McLean) in which case those apartments would definitely be sent back to the further school, as they are steps away from Marshall High School.



Yes, it is FH and LR and the only reason they did not get the whole complex was because parents flipped out and were scared their school would turn into a title 1 school. So the compromise was to take 1/2 the apartments and all of the wealthy families in the townhomes by Marshall. This was before it became an AAP center. They absolutely should have sent kids to LR because it is closer. They can walk if needed to LR. Now these kids get have to deal with Tysons traffic and late busses. If they move, which happens frequently within the complex, they need to switch schools.

I do think AAP centers will be a thing of the past in a few years. There is absolutely no reason for them anymore as AAP is basically just adv math now since Benchmark is being taught in ALL schools.
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These are facilities and transportation issues and fcps has staff in those departments. No need to hire consultants! Just ask your professional staff to develop a sensible, no -political plan and follow that/
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.


There absolutely should be a holistic boundary change. You have over capacity schools and under capacity schools. These one time decisions just lead to a different school being over crowded. Our school has an apartment complex that is cut in 1/2, so 1/2 the kids go to one ES and the others go to another. Kid moves apartments and needs to switch schools. The complex is closer to the other school and not even in the same zip code. This was from a overcrowding one time fix.

They need to do the following:

*Balance school populations
*Try to make sure every pyramid has some apts.
*Get rid of split feeders. It should be these 6 ES go to this middle school and this high school.

I’m pretty sure I know which schools you’re talking about, and the apartment complex was originally zoned to the further school (Freedom Hill,) but they split it and sent part of it to the closer school (Lemon Road) to alleviate capacity and prevent the closer school from closing due to under enrollment.

Now the closer school is at capacity while the further school is under enrolled. The only way the closer school can pick up the rest of the students is if they remove the AAP center. The closer school is also a split feeder (Marshall/McLean), and while I think it will remain a split feeder, they might align it with a single high school (McLean) in which case those apartments would definitely be sent back to the further school, as they are steps away from Marshall High School.


So people want every school to have apartments, but when a large multi-building apartment complex is assigned to two elementary schools (but the same MS and HS) it’s a big problem to be fixed?

If they plow ahead with Dunn Loring, despite any need for that school, all those boundaries are going to have to change anyway - after the consultant has done its work.


Freedom Hill has other apartment complexes too. To separate one is ridiculous. They are also building one in an office building next to the school.

I agree with Dunn Loring all of the boundaries will shift. It aggravates me though since it is not needed. They can make slight shifts in Marshall pyramid to make it work.
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Loudoun builds new schools frequently and seems to rezone without fanfare and hoopla. FCPS should just do whatever they are doing.
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What the PP are really taking about are zoning issues where developers bargain to build new homes or apartments and then make a deal with the school board to send kids to a different school so they get building permission.

They can only really fix school issues when the zoning planning and school board all work together but that doesn’t happen and still won’t.

Either way if you are renting from an apartment complex you are not going to stay there k-12 and are accepting that your kid will not be in the same pyramid their entire school career. The entire point of buying a house when you have kids is to give them stability. A parent living in a rental has already had to give that up. The board wants to put everyone in that situation. I wouldn’t buy here again.
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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun builds new schools frequently and seems to rezone without fanfare and hoopla. FCPS should just do whatever they are doing.


I’m guessing loudoun schools don’t have the same disparities that FCPS schools do. Also, this is not a boundary review based on a new school.

Your logic is not logicing.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe my baby may have two switch schools and because I have closely curated their lives (just like my insta and TikTok, omg!!!), this will ruin everything.


I don’t understand this comment, but it is patently absurd for anyone to think that this won’t have significant consequences for the impacted kids.

Only people with no friends or social IQ will struggle to understand those consequences.

Sometimes things are more important than your childrens' highly curated social lives. I don't know about your kids, but mine have friends that go to other schools. If they had to switch junior year, yes it absolutely would SUCK but (a) they wouldn't be the only ones and (b) they have friends at these other schools that they see every week and I have no doubt they'd continue to see their other friends, too.


Weird that you keeping calling friendships “curated.” Pretty telling.

Anyway, so glad to hear that your kids have friend at different schools. Mine do too, but the bulk are at the school’s they are at, since they are who my kids see most. Maybe the difference is what qualifies as a “friend” for your kids?


PP is big on pushing the narrative that they are prepared to sacrifice if it’s in the greater good, but hasn’t otherwise explained what good would actually come out of boundary changes at a time when FCPS enrollment is stable and even slightly down. Still waiting to hear what problem(s) she actually thinks exists, and where, and how disruptive boundary changes are going to solve it. At some point it becomes a solution in search of a problem.



DP than the person you are responding to but, unless you work for Gatehouse, you yourself have absolutely no idea where all the problem areas are and likely zero experience implementing county-wide boundary changes. That’s why we are waiting for the professionals to propose appropriate solutions.

You seem to continue to want to debate about the merits of even conducting the review, but we are past that stage.


+100
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Anonymous wrote:What the PP are really taking about are zoning issues where developers bargain to build new homes or apartments and then make a deal with the school board to send kids to a different school so they get building permission.

They can only really fix school issues when the zoning planning and school board all work together but that doesn’t happen and still won’t.

Either way if you are renting from an apartment complex you are not going to stay there k-12 and are accepting that your kid will not be in the same pyramid their entire school career. The entire point of buying a house when you have kids is to give them stability. A parent living in a rental has already had to give that up. The board wants to put everyone in that situation. I wouldn’t buy here again.


+1. Would not buy into this uncertainty again either.
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