APS Yondr Pouch: Opening at home questions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

It’s not just about class it’s about the impact social media and bullying on line has on their mental health and it’s about them staring at their phones instead of interacting with their peers. The phones are obviously also cameras which causes many issues which if you don’t know about that don’t know what to say. Use your imagination.

Yes, but my point is those phone issues are parenting issues. Banning phones at school doesn't stop bullying or social media issues. They can do all that at home, and frankly the kids can figure out how to do that on a FCPS-issued laptop. I watched my school present a Yondr-branded PowerPoint blaming cell phones for depression and suicide. Cell phones are a factor but hardly the only issue. Blaming all of society's ills on cell phone usage in school is specious and it is doubly specious to assert that Yondr will cure these woes. APS and FCPS are Yondr suckers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

Sorry no. The school’s jurisdiction is the time they are in the school. What goes on in the hall and the bathrooms and the lunch room is their responsibility and their issue to deal with. I’m sure they’d rather it wasn’t!

Except they don't, and there are plenty of teachers and parents who will get on here to insist it is asking too much of teachers to do anything beyond instruction. I'm not asking the school to parent my kid, and they aren't offering so they should get out of the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

Sorry no. The school’s jurisdiction is the time they are in the school. What goes on in the hall and the bathrooms and the lunch room is their responsibility and their issue to deal with. I’m sure they’d rather it wasn’t!

Except they don't, and there are plenty of teachers and parents who will get on here to insist it is asking too much of teachers to do anything beyond instruction. I'm not asking the school to parent my kid, and they aren't offering so they should get out of the way.

Sorry, could you please reiterate, only this time with logic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Ask to appoint a teacher to make sure students like yours are reminded to do this. Otherwise, leave that sh!t at home then and unlock it yourself. You have no business as a parent to teach your kid to do something that is egregiously against the rules.

You know nothing. My kid is one who leaves the phone turned off all school day. It only comes on to coordinate after school activities. I can’t coordinate after school activities without this damn device being actually on the kid. Unlocked.if you have the luxury of never leaving Arlington or always being home ready to chauffeur larla, you probably have no effing idea what you’re talking about.

How much in the fly coordinating are you doing? Somehow people just 5 years ago managed without giving their kids a phone.
And 1000% your kid doesn’t keep it off all school day. It’s just unrealistic to think that

Believe it or not, the kid is a rule follower and really doesn’t. You probably also don’t believe that the phone is a brick during the school day, but it is. It never has Safari, it has no messaging abilities beyond to me, it doesn’t have App Store, it has downtime from bell to bell. There is no point to turning it on. I am confident 1000% (thanks for that) that the phone is off. I can see the parental stats. It’s called being a parent.

If the phone is truly off and put away all day he could just skip the pouch. No one would ever know.

DP. No, you can’t, because they make everyone put in a phone, right? Unless you lie & say you don’t have one?

My kid had NO PHONE and they are still making her take a pouch. The bounds of stupidity here are limitless. Who is responsible for this insanity???

Because many kids will eventually have phones even if they don’t now. And when they do sneak out their phone, the teachers KNOWS they were issued a pouch, so no excuse like “I didn’t have a phone when they gave out pouches” or other weaseling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Natural consequences is not just for poor behavior. If you forget your shoes for practice you won’t have them. If you leave your water bottle somewhere carelessly you need to buy a new one. If mom always makes sure to fix everything for you, you’ll never figure it out.

The too overladen with sports equipment to get out the pouch is also quite the sob story though.

To a lot of parents school is secondary to sports, and this phones are a tool to making sure sports goes smoothly — so that’s the priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

ahh you're one of those who is insistent that in person socializing is the only way kids should be interacting. can't take this seriously, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

ahh you're one of those who is insistent that in person socializing is the only way kids should be interacting. can't take this seriously, sorry.

While in school you think students should primarily be socializing virtually?? They already do all their class work and school communication virtually, why even bother go to school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Natural consequences is not just for poor behavior. If you forget your shoes for practice you won’t have them. If you leave your water bottle somewhere carelessly you need to buy a new one. If mom always makes sure to fix everything for you, you’ll never figure it out.

The too overladen with sports equipment to get out the pouch is also quite the sob story though.

Seriously. Since when are consequences only for poor behavior?

Consequences for kids are for decisions kids make. My kid did not decide to have a pouch. My kid did not decide to have a phone. My kid did not pick the school and my kid did not pick the bus ride. My kid didn’t make the decision to have an after school activity a bus ride away. I made the last few decisions and the school made the pouch decision. Where in there should my kid bear a consequence if things don’t go the adult’s way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

Are you a Yondr intern?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

ahh you're one of those who is insistent that in person socializing is the only way kids should be interacting. can't take this seriously, sorry.

While in school you think students should primarily be socializing virtually?? They already do all their class work and school communication virtually, why even bother go to school?

The school that is preaching the virtues of getting off of technology is the same one that chooses to teach almost entirely through a screen. Is FCPS going to put the laptops away? They spent the pandemic acting as though it made no difference, and now thinks technology is bad but only if it is on a phone. It's quite hard to keep my eyes from rolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

Are you a Yondr intern?

I’m in tech and my mom is a teacher. If you lived in the Bay Area you would see how careful the tech Illuminati is to keep phones away from their kids education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Write to the school board about the ridiculous pouches. A shoe holder is much less expensive, doesn't but a financial burden on parents for damaged of lost goods and allows phones to be accessed, if necessary. Yondr is a gross misuse of taxpayer funds.

And, yes, you can buy a magnet on Amazon. Put Neodymium into the search bar.

Shoe holders are ridiculous. They don't prevent phone use in hallways, bathrooms, lunch time, etc . . . Phones get stolen regularly from them. Every class loses time spent checking that every kid's phone is there. Kids regularly have decoy phones that they put in the shoe holders. There really are no positives.

If the justification for the pouches is that kids aren't paying attention in class, why are we trying to regulate phone use at lunch? Shoe holders are $20/teacher and Yondr is at least $18/kid (they go for more like $200 online so who knows what APS actually paid). The Yondr pouch can be gamed with a decoy phone to exactly the same extent as the shoe holder so it is confusing to me why we are engaging in expensive overkill. If parents want their kids to not have a phone during non-instructional time, deal with that as a parent. The school's jurisdiction is instructional time and that is easily addressed with the shoe holder.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but the shoe holders make the “phone away” dance for every period the miscreant attends. With the poach, when there phone is out, the teacher has them lock it up and it’s not going to the next teachers problem.

Also, the whole phones at lunch thing is so unhealthy, kids should be socializing — and you know even if your kid wants to be in person, most people will be phubbing them, so might as well pull out their own phone.

Finally, every teacher doing the phone show holder dance every period, that’s a huge waste of time. And of course theft and alleged damage that will be targeted at teachers.

ahh you're one of those who is insistent that in person socializing is the only way kids should be interacting. can't take this seriously, sorry.

While in school you think students should primarily be socializing virtually?? They already do all their class work and school communication virtually, why even bother go to school?

The school that is preaching the virtues of getting off of technology is the same one that chooses to teach almost entirely through a screen. Is FCPS going to put the laptops away? They spent the pandemic acting as though it made no difference, and now thinks technology is bad but only if it is on a phone. It's quite hard to keep my eyes from rolling.

I’m not sure who you are trying to rile up? People who want phones away would absolutely embrace laptops and tablets away, did you expect otherwise?

At the same token, I will have some grace and reflect that curated educational material such as online textbooks, Google grade books, and submitting homework via a cloud drive is probably different than scrolling Chappell Roan’s insta or watching Andrew Tate TikToks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Natural consequences is not just for poor behavior. If you forget your shoes for practice you won’t have them. If you leave your water bottle somewhere carelessly you need to buy a new one. If mom always makes sure to fix everything for you, you’ll never figure it out.

The too overladen with sports equipment to get out the pouch is also quite the sob story though.

Seriously. Since when are consequences only for poor behavior?

Consequences for kids are for decisions kids make. My kid did not decide to have a pouch. My kid did not decide to have a phone. My kid did not pick the school and my kid did not pick the bus ride. My kid didn’t make the decision to have an after school activity a bus ride away. I made the last few decisions and the school made the pouch decision. Where in there should my kid bear a consequence if things don’t go the adult’s way?

This is one of the more nonsensical paragraphs I’ve read. Congrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I took the liberty of ordering a bunch of magnets to open this &$@! Pouch. Here is what works:

MEUOADA Rare Earth Magnet,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D6RBXT71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Put pouch on magnet
Tap the button vigorously
It opens

We went through a few that didn’t work.

Good luck - my kid is one who would have to make a choice between missing a bus and unlocking the pouch and freak out. This pouch was an unnecessary source of anxiety and I feel happy to have defeated it.

Sincere question:Why would you not let your kid deal with the natural consequence of not unlocking the phone?

That is such a weird sincere question. What was the poor behavior that needed a consequence? Locking the phone or choosing not to miss the bus so that her parent needed to leave work to pick her up?

Neither is a choice that requires a consequence. I would recheck your idea of “natural consequences”. Natural consequences in our house - not doing homework and failing a test. Not wearing pants and being cold. Not bringing a snack and being hungry (on a short term). But following the rules and being too overladen with sports equipment to manage getting out the pouch and not missing the bus? Not something that requires a consequence.

Natural consequences is not just for poor behavior. If you forget your shoes for practice you won’t have them. If you leave your water bottle somewhere carelessly you need to buy a new one. If mom always makes sure to fix everything for you, you’ll never figure it out.

The too overladen with sports equipment to get out the pouch is also quite the sob story though.

Seriously. Since when are consequences only for poor behavior?

Consequences for kids are for decisions kids make. My kid did not decide to have a pouch. My kid did not decide to have a phone. My kid did not pick the school and my kid did not pick the bus ride. My kid didn’t make the decision to have an after school activity a bus ride away. I made the last few decisions and the school made the pouch decision. Where in there should my kid bear a consequence if things don’t go the adult’s way?

Eh, we all have to deal with consequences of decisions we didn't make. I pay taxes to support policies I don't agree with, I go into the office 4 days a week because my company decided to RTO. Your kid has to learn to deal with consequences of other people making decisions that impact him. That is life.