Executive Order decreeing "cell-phone free" education in k-12

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Suspension is not a viable option. To suspend a Student you need every resource and every level to get involved, teachers, admin, the disciplinary office, etc. There’s meetings and paperwork and additional schoolwork that needs to be gathered. No, nobody is going to go through that much work because of the phone.

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Anonymous wrote:Us parents could really help teachers in this fight. We allow our kids to take their phones to school and pretty much say let the school deal with it.

As a parent, I do. My kid does not own a phone (7th), and when she does it will be a dumb phone and if she's a social pariah because it doesn't have iMessage capabilities then I'm sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Suspension is not a viable option. To suspend a Student you need every resource and every level to get involved, teachers, admin, the disciplinary office, etc. There’s meetings and paperwork and additional schoolwork that needs to be gathered. No, nobody is going to go through that much work because of the phone.

Not sure why schools don't have detention/ISS anymore. Not part of restorative justice I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Suspension is not a viable option. To suspend a Student you need every resource and every level to get involved, teachers, admin, the disciplinary office, etc. There’s meetings and paperwork and additional schoolwork that needs to be gathered. No, nobody is going to go through that much work because of the phone.

In addition, there are so many students who use their phones to various degrees that you'd have to spend all your time suspending students. And where do you draw the line as abusive use? There are a few students in every class who do fine with a quick glance at their phone once in a blue moon. There are lots of others for whom a quick glance derails their entire understanding of the lesson.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Because districts, administrators, and schools get in hot water if there are too many suspensions or discipline referrals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

There is a whole written matrix of what actions can receive what consequences and what documentation and steps need to have been done before you can escalate. The inky things you can get suspended for now are selling drugs, bringing a weapon, or fighting and someone is actually hurt. Phone use IS NOT written into the discipline matrix as anything that can receive something like ISR or suspension. The state monitors this data for disproportionality and the number of referrals and the race of the students referred is heavily scrutinized so districts make it very, very difficult to issue these consequences now.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Suspension is not a viable option. To suspend a Student you need every resource and every level to get involved, teachers, admin, the disciplinary office, etc. There’s meetings and paperwork and additional schoolwork that needs to be gathered. No, nobody is going to go through that much work because of the phone.

Not sure why schools don't have detention/ISS anymore. Not part of restorative justice I guess?

They still have it, but the resources aren’t there to support a large group of students.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Because districts, administrators, and schools get in hot water if there are too many suspensions or discipline referrals.

I remember years ago when we had a staff meeting to discuss all of this. The county-wide data for blacks and/or students with IEPs getting written up was extremely high. African-American students were being disproportionally written up for “issues” that white students also do all the time (like chewing gum, talking in class, misuse of materials, etc.) It was a huge county-wide problem. If there were a thousand cases, a small percentage were white or Asian.

Thus the disciplinary matrix was born.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This sounds exactly like my middle school The onus is on the teacher to enforce this, and we do not have the time with the million other things we have to do.

Most schools technically are cell-phone free during instruction time anyways. But it's not implemented because it's too much of a pain. I don't see how this executive order changes anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Because districts, administrators, and schools get in hot water if there are too many suspensions or discipline referrals.

I remember years ago when we had a staff meeting to discuss all of this. The county-wide data for blacks and/or students with IEPs getting written up was extremely high. African-American students were being disproportionally written up for “issues” that white students also do all the time (like chewing gum, talking in class, misuse of materials, etc.) It was a huge county-wide problem. If there were a thousand cases, a small percentage were white or Asian.

Thus the disciplinary matrix was born.

lol sure they were.

Because all the nice white teacher ladies in FCPS, overwhelmingly liberal Democrats, are actually racists who hate black kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Because districts, administrators, and schools get in hot water if there are too many suspensions or discipline referrals.

I remember years ago when we had a staff meeting to discuss all of this. The county-wide data for blacks and/or students with IEPs getting written up was extremely high. African-American students were being disproportionally written up for “issues” that white students also do all the time (like chewing gum, talking in class, misuse of materials, etc.) It was a huge county-wide problem. If there were a thousand cases, a small percentage were white or Asian.

Thus the disciplinary matrix was born.

lol sure they were.

Because all the nice white teacher ladies in FCPS, overwhelmingly liberal Democrats, are actually racists who hate black kids.

Feel free to FOIA the data if you like. It’s true.

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Back the teachers in the classroom and let them be in charge of their classrooms. Hello?

There is no environment where phones are not allowed except for prison. How about we support teachers as they TEACH appropriate use of cell phones!

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What happened to parents getting a say? I love that my son has a cell phone. I know he doesn't take it out in class (that's not allowed, and he follows the rules). I love that he can contact me if something goes wrong or he wants to stay late or needs a ride. There have been shooter incidences where the kids texting parents were the only way they would have known. I don't trust FCPS one bit to take care of my child. I want him to be able to reach me if he needs to. So much for parents' rights.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to parents getting a say? I love that my son has a cell phone. I know he doesn't take it out in class (that's not allowed, and he follows the rules). I love that he can contact me if something goes wrong or he wants to stay late or needs a ride. There have been shooter incidences where the kids texting parents were the only way they would have known. I don't trust FCPS one bit to take care of my child. I want him to be able to reach me if he needs to. So much for parents' rights.

So then what's the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

Because districts, administrators, and schools get in hot water if there are too many suspensions or discipline referrals.

I remember years ago when we had a staff meeting to discuss all of this. The county-wide data for blacks and/or students with IEPs getting written up was extremely high. African-American students were being disproportionally written up for “issues” that white students also do all the time (like chewing gum, talking in class, misuse of materials, etc.) It was a huge county-wide problem. If there were a thousand cases, a small percentage were white or Asian.

Thus the disciplinary matrix was born.

lol sure they were.

Because all the nice white teacher ladies in FCPS, overwhelmingly liberal Democrats, are actually racists who hate black kids.

Feel free to FOIA the data if you like. It’s true.

Not sure what this has to do with cell phones, but this actually did happen. I was a teacher at the time and our statistics in-school bore it out.

The thing about teachers and the phone is, why do you care? They have the right to not pay attention in class and they also have the right to fail. Or at least to get a D. I teach in a college and it's what I do. Very few kids actually use their phones during class, though. They have them out, and I'll see them start checking them if things get boring, but I try to keep things from getting too boring. But for those who just play the whole time, they just don't get a good grade and that's their punishment.