Executive Order decreeing "cell-phone free" education in k-12

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

This is how it should be. In college no one is taking phones, those who want to learn, learn. Those who don't, won't.

But high school is not college. For one thing, college is voluntary and high school is compulsory. Also, college students are older with more maturity and self control (and financial ownership) than younger students.

If your child is not mature enough, and doesn’t have the self-control to have a phone at school, then keep the phone at home. If you know that your child cannot resist the temptation, then keep the phone at home.

If a student is not mature enough to behave properly including not using his phone, then the techer steps in.

I'm so confused by these posts from teachers who have no desire to have control over their classroom. Bewildering.

I'm so confused by these posts from parents who have no desire to have control over their children. Bewildering

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

Do you know what disrupts the other kids? When there is aggression or arguing in the classroom because a teacher tries to take a phone. When instructional time is lost due to power struggles. When they have subs because a teacher is out meeting with a parent who is angry that the rule was enforced and an administrator who takes their side. When they don’t feel safe because a kid pushed or swing at their teacher or over turned a desk and came back to the classroom the next day. When teachers fall behind on grading because they are using that time to call parents (who do nothing).

I would love to see a policy that actually works. I know some private school parents who say it works there but they have disciplinary options we don’t have. But the only way I see it working is if admin attitude changes, consequences are decided Jon and enforced and time is allocated to enforce them.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

Do you know what disrupts the other kids? When there is aggression or arguing in the classroom because a teacher tries to take a phone. When instructional time is lost due to power struggles. When they have subs because a teacher is out meeting with a parent who is angry that the rule was enforced and an administrator who takes their side. When they don’t feel safe because a kid pushed or swing at their teacher or over turned a desk and came back to the classroom the next day. When teachers fall behind on grading because they are using that time to call parents (who do nothing).

I would love to see a policy that actually works. I know some private school parents who say it works there but they have disciplinary options we don’t have. But the only way I see it working is if admin attitude changes, consequences are decided Jon and enforced and time is allocated to enforce them.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

Oh look, a completely clueless person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

[Anonymous]

Us parents could really help teachers in this fight. We allow our kids to take their phones to school and pretty much say let the school deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Us parents could really help teachers in this fight. We allow our kids to take their phones to school and pretty much say let the school deal with it.

Yeah, a lot do. You as the parent can throttle their access to apps and parts of their phone during certain times of day. You can buy them dummy phones to call/text with if needed but without access to apps/games/wifi if it’s a consistent issue. You can take the phone completely. Teachers can’t do any of this. If I could take those phones and lock them up for the day, I promise you I would. I wish every school had Yondr pouches and they were locked up for all kids all day.

For my part, what I do is keep assignments on paper. We use physical books, binders, notes in my class. No chromebooks or devices. I’m trying to limit their time on screens even a little, and it gives less leeway for them to ever have the Chromebook or phone out to claim they’re “doing work” while actually chatting on Instagram or snap or playing some stupid ass game. But it’s a losing battle without parent and school district support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Us parents could really help teachers in this fight. We allow our kids to take their phones to school and pretty much say let the school deal with it.

100%. This, like many other issues in schools now, is a parenting problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

How about the PARENTS do something? If You were being told they can’t get off the phone, take the phone away.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

Oh look, a completely clueless person.

LOL, parents could fix this issue with no time and no money… But they have zero interest in doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

How about the PARENTS do something? If You were being told they can’t get off the phone, take the phone away.

We did this. It requires the teacher to tell us though.

I still think this is an admin problem. Some principals are backing up their teachers and handling this appropriately and others aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah.

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

The teachers are saying that they are prioritizing the other students by focusing on the instruction. They are de-prioritizing the unfocused, disrespectful student that won’t put their phone away.

If teachers and their administration would enforce the existing cell phone ban, maybe these kids would learn something, too. Rather than being written off because of the failure of the school to enforce the ban

You are blaming the students, and punishing them by letting them learn nothing, because the school is not doing its job. Youngkin has figured this out. But principals haven't.

What has he figured out exactly? There is already a policy on the books, but no consequences attached. No consequences means the policy is useless. Unenforceable.

YOU - the teacher on the spot - and the principal have total authority to decide on the consequences. Get outta here with your bs evasion that you can’t do anything because the governor didn’t tell you exactly what to do.

No, I as the teacher have been told by admin I cannot take their phone and there’s no written consequences for them misusing the phone in the district policies so there actually is no consequences I can enforce. If I take a kid’s property and the parents come after me for it, the district won’t back me- they’ve said this to us. We can’t take their property. We can’t kick them out of class for it, or issue detention for it, or give them ISR or suspension for it. The governor didn’t include any written consequences in his decree either so we are still left where we always have been.

Why won’t the district let you kick kids out of class or suspend them? Suspension seems easiest—if the kid wants to be on his phone all day, let him. He can come back to school when he’s ready to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Long time HS teacher here and this is how it’s going to play out with older kids. There will be meetings during the teacher workdays and we will need to have something in the syllabus. Admin will put together some unrealistic protocol, like we need to keep track of infractions ourself, give a certain number of warnings, on the whatever time email/call parents, then on the next time write a referral. Some teachers will stress over this and have complicated spreadsheets, write referrals only to find out no discipline happens.

Nothing will change in my class. I’ve always had a cell away rule. It’s usually not an issue. I will contact parents if they are ever cheating on a test or being disruptive. I will not if I see them send a quick text. No one has time for that and most of the time, the parents are texting their own kids.

This and admin will do nothing but expect teachers to do it all-as usual.

Teachers will have to do their jobs, waah waah waah. :roll:

Not my job to deal with your kid's phone. They're free to stay on it and learn nothing while I teach those who are in my class for a good reason.

Your lack of compassion for the other students they are disrupting is gross.

They're not disrupting them. They're just drugging themselves.
My test scores are well above benchmarks. The students who were on their phones a lot failed. Such is life.

If they would have done better but for the phone, then the school has failed the student.

The person that bought them the phone failed them.