Evangelization Vs. Proselytization

[Anonymous]

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...Jesus Christ was an actual man who walked the earth, is abundantly attested to in early historical sources, and is agreed upon to have existed by every historian, scholar, and academic in the Western world. If very basic facts are unknown- then much is unknown......

I can't get past this from the OP. There's probably more historical documentation/attestations regarding Zeus/Jupiter than there are for Jesus. There's lots of temples, inscriptions, miracles ascribed to him, etc.

I highly recommend content by scholar Dan McClellan who has 4 degrees in biblical studies and a man of faith. He has a special interest in calling out misinformation. https://www.youtube.com/@maklelan/featured

Most Religious Beliefs are Credences - this post is particularly relevant to the OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPsa5T1oC90

DP. This isn’t a thread about the historicity of Jesus. We’ve had other threads on that, maybe dig them up. When you do, you’ll find a video of your bff Bart Ehrman saying that people who deny Jesus are “amateurish", "wrong-headed", and "outlandish".

Clearly you’re just a troll trying to keep the thread going.

Correction: people who deny Jesus existed are “amateurish” etc.

You’re still a troll

PP didn't deny that Jesus existed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP seems unfamiliar with the general definitions that are widely used, including on DCUM.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/evangelize
transitive verb
1: to preach the gospel to
2: to convert to Christianity
intransitive verb
: to preach the gospel

Mormons systematically proselytize
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/05/19/mormon-land-ever-evolving/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/how-to-proselytize.html

If people weren't "proselytizing" then people all over the world wouldn't be concerned about it
https://apnews.com/article/israel-netanyahu-christians-evangelicals-proselytizing-217563437f499aec3d865e2f009ddac9
https://www.ncronline.org/news/evangelicals-vatican-reach-accord-proselytizing
https://www.brigada.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/OSAC-Proselytizing-Report-Country-List.pdf

OP, you should expand your vocabulary.

The meaning of the word proselytism has changed over time. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament passed the word ‘proselyte’ into modern languages with a neutral meaning. It simply meant a convert, someone who changed his or her opinion or religion. And, proselytism meant the attempt to persuade someone to make such a change. But, today proselytism is almost universally seen as a sinister activity when it comes to religious beliefs.

The use of coercion of any kind today described as proselytism is always wrong and to be condemned.

Proselytizing takes many forms, some of which are unethical, such as coercion or trying to convert vulnerable people.

And proselytizing is condemned by Christians. When have you been forced to believe, accept, or listen to a Christian talk about their faith?

Proselytizing doesn't mean 'forced".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

So, to recap:

Proselytizing means trying to recruit or convert someone to their religion. And it doesn't mean that it's done by force.

And Christians do proselytize, something unethically.

[Anonymous]

^ sometimes unethically

[Anonymous]

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It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP seems unfamiliar with the general definitions that are widely used, including on DCUM.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/evangelize
transitive verb
1: to preach the gospel to
2: to convert to Christianity
intransitive verb
: to preach the gospel

Mormons systematically proselytize
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/05/19/mormon-land-ever-evolving/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/how-to-proselytize.html

If people weren't "proselytizing" then people all over the world wouldn't be concerned about it
https://apnews.com/article/israel-netanyahu-christians-evangelicals-proselytizing-217563437f499aec3d865e2f009ddac9
https://www.ncronline.org/news/evangelicals-vatican-reach-accord-proselytizing
https://www.brigada.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/OSAC-Proselytizing-Report-Country-List.pdf

OP, you should expand your vocabulary.

The meaning of the word proselytism has changed over time. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament passed the word ‘proselyte’ into modern languages with a neutral meaning. It simply meant a convert, someone who changed his or her opinion or religion. And, proselytism meant the attempt to persuade someone to make such a change. But, today proselytism is almost universally seen as a sinister activity when it comes to religious beliefs.

The use of coercion of any kind today described as proselytism is always wrong and to be condemned.

Proselytizing takes many forms, some of which are unethical, such as coercion or trying to convert vulnerable people.

And proselytizing is condemned by Christians. When have you been forced to believe, accept, or listen to a Christian talk about their faith?

Proselytizing doesn't mean 'forced".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

So, to recap:

Proselytizing means trying to recruit or convert someone to their religion. And it doesn't mean that it's done by force.

And Christians do proselytize, something unethically.

Yes they certainly do. I had a friend who considers herself to have "saved" my child when he was 8 because the scared him into thinking he was going to go to hell and never see his mommy and daddy again if he didn't say the right magic words. Pretty f-ing unethical if you ask me. This was a fundamentalist, evangelical christian who was so "loving" lol. She didn't want to see him burn in hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Yup. They are brainwashed from an early age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Yup. They are brainwashed from an early age.

Keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Yup. They are brainwashed from an early age.

Keep telling yourself that

We all see it every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP seems unfamiliar with the general definitions that are widely used, including on DCUM.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/evangelize
transitive verb
1: to preach the gospel to
2: to convert to Christianity
intransitive verb
: to preach the gospel

Mormons systematically proselytize
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/05/19/mormon-land-ever-evolving/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/how-to-proselytize.html

If people weren't "proselytizing" then people all over the world wouldn't be concerned about it
https://apnews.com/article/israel-netanyahu-christians-evangelicals-proselytizing-217563437f499aec3d865e2f009ddac9
https://www.ncronline.org/news/evangelicals-vatican-reach-accord-proselytizing
https://www.brigada.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/OSAC-Proselytizing-Report-Country-List.pdf

OP, you should expand your vocabulary.

The meaning of the word proselytism has changed over time. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Old Testament passed the word ‘proselyte’ into modern languages with a neutral meaning. It simply meant a convert, someone who changed his or her opinion or religion. And, proselytism meant the attempt to persuade someone to make such a change. But, today proselytism is almost universally seen as a sinister activity when it comes to religious beliefs.

The use of coercion of any kind today described as proselytism is always wrong and to be condemned.

Proselytizing takes many forms, some of which are unethical, such as coercion or trying to convert vulnerable people.

And proselytizing is condemned by Christians. When have you been forced to believe, accept, or listen to a Christian talk about their faith?

Proselytizing doesn't mean 'forced".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize
intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

So, to recap:

Proselytizing means trying to recruit or convert someone to their religion. And it doesn't mean that it's done by force.

And Christians do proselytize, something unethically.

Yes they certainly do. I had a friend who considers herself to have "saved" my child when he was 8 because the scared him into thinking he was going to go to hell and never see his mommy and daddy again if he didn't say the right magic words. Pretty f-ing unethical if you ask me. This was a fundamentalist, evangelical christian who was so "loving" lol. She didn't want to see him burn in hell.

You are friends with someone who scares your child? Why? When did your friend do this to your child? Did you confront her and let her know that what she did was wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Yup. They are brainwashed from an early age.

Keep telling yourself that

We all see it every day.

Where do you see brainwashed people everyday? Who are you speaking for besides yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Where is religious indoctrination occurring in our country? Who is “teaching” people about religion, in what setting, that you consider indoctrination?

I don’t see anyone in America forced to pray or attend church, or be religious in any way. Are there secret indoctrination centers that the public doesn’t know about? Where?

You are making some pretty shocking claims that people are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in America, and you need to provide some proof of those accusations. Have you been investigating and gathering information and evidence this type of activity is occurring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

So anyone who is a theologian or professor of religious studies is not an educator? They are indoctrinating people?

Children who attend a Jewish school are not being taught about the history of their people or religion, but indoctrinated?

Pp won’t respond and explain about their opinions, which really is par for the course. Make outrageous and outlandish claims about all religion, then disappear.

People in our country have a choice about how they live. Nobody is forced to believe anything against their will.

Christians who tell you about God: how did they brainwash you? You obviously don’t have any religious beliefs, so you are a prime example of someone who wasn’t forced by anyone to be religious. Plenty of people who are not religious post here, nobody forced them to be religious. If you don’t like religion and don’t want to hear about religion, you are not being forced online and forced to visit a forum discussing religion. You don’t have to pray, attend church, celebrate religious holidays, etc. This kind of rhetoric gets old.

Has anyone here been forced to be here?

Has anyone here been forcibly taken to church and made to pray to a God they have no belief in? If you have been, why didn’t you contact authorities and report your kidnapping? The people forcibly taking you to a religious place of worship would be arrested. You could get a restraining order and when they violated it, they would continue to be jailed. In fact, kidnapping is a big deal and prosecuted harshly under state and federal law. Even parents who take their own children out of state or against court orders are charged with kidnapping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ sometimes unethically

It’s considered a sin by many denominations to proselytize.

People can only become a Christian through God, not other people.

Then why do so many people try so hard at it?

I'll tell you why....because brainwashing is real. Indoctrination is real. So after someone "teaches" you about this long enough, suddenly you "believe", and religious people will claim that God did it.

Where is religious indoctrination occurring in our country? Who is “teaching” people about religion, in what setting, that you consider indoctrination?

I don’t see anyone in America forced to pray or attend church, or be religious in any way. Are there secret indoctrination centers that the public doesn’t know about? Where?

You are making some pretty shocking claims that people are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in America, and you need to provide some proof of those accusations. Have you been investigating and gathering information and evidence this type of activity is occurring?

DP. It typically starts off at home. Many families force their kids to be religious.

Or sometimes people will prey on vulnerable people.