Ward 3 Crime Meeting w/CM Frumin, USAO Graves and AG Schwab 1/17 6pm Cleveland Park library

[Anonymous]

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Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

Wait a minute. So Frumin gets the brush off from one of his coworkers 50 years ago. Turns out the guy just doesn’t want to be best buds off the clock. And Matt comes to the conclusion that it was actually . . . . “racism”? Now he’s forcing old ladies on Connecticut Ave to live with drug addicts in their building to make amends for racism that never actually occurred. This guy is damaged goods.

Housing First and the dc voucher program precedes Frumin by many years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

Wait a minute. So Frumin gets the brush off from one of his coworkers 50 years ago. Turns out the guy just doesn’t want to be best buds off the clock. And Matt comes to the conclusion that it was actually . . . . “racism”? Now he’s forcing old ladies on Connecticut Ave to live with drug addicts in their building to make amends for racism that never actually occurred. This guy is damaged goods.

Housing First and the dc voucher program precedes Frumin by many years.

You do know they require ongoing support to achieve their ill conceived, almost fanatical ends?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by saying I am a former prosecutor. Even if we increase law enforcement, what do we about a generation of teens and young adults who feel like they have nothing to lose? Until we address that issue, nothing will change. We can jail all of the people who commit crimes in DC but there is another batch coming right behind them that are poor, uneducated or undereducated, have no life skills, received limited parenting and can’t get a job that will allow them to live in a SAFE neighborhood with adequate resources (food, transportation, clothing, etc.). If even educated people making $60/70k are barely making it in DC and these people don’t make even a fraction of that and know that there is literally no way out of the poverty cycle they are in unless they become an athlete, what do we do? They literally have nothing to lose.

Jail or the hug a thug programs provide food and shelter. On the street, they have neither. Having gone out into the community to meet with crime victims, I can say I’ve seen so many hopeless people in living situations that make jail seem like the Four Seasons (infested with roaches and rodents, overcrowded with unemployed and unemployable people,
etc.). Truly depressing situations that made me so grateful for my life. I don’t have the answer to this question but would be curious about your responses.

These are not new issues. They were debated when Lyndon Johnson was president. We don't have to solve all the world's problems or end poverty before we're allowed to prosecute murderers.

You are responding to me. Then
you will continue to have murderers. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You know what is a proven way to reduce murders?

Put them in jail. Turns out it’s a lot harder to murder people when you’re locked up.

That in turn has an outsized impact on crime rates because most violent crimes are committed by a small number of recidivists.

Exactly. Something like 90% of the repeat violent crime is committed by 1% of the population. For people who want to say it's about race - it isn't. Compare the 1% of the DC population that are violent criminals to the fact that 45% of DC is black. Clearly those numbers show that an overwhelming majority of blacks are not criminals. Nor are most other people in DC. Again, we are just talking about the 1% who are, not some sweeping generalities about race.

And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe.

And for people who say "we don't have enough room/resources to lock them up" - we should instead prioritize release of lesser and non-violent offenders and should put prisoners to work to pay their own keep. That will help rehabilitate them by giving them job skills and work ethic for an honest and legitimate life after release. And for the people who say "but it's cruel and unusual to put them to work" - bullshit. If it isn't cruel and unusual to expect the rest of us to work and pay our rents and bills and put food on the table then it isn't cruel for them to do the same.

Brilliant post! Any chance you are a DC resident and willing to run for ANC or Council?

I’d vote for this person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

Wait a minute. So Frumin gets the brush off from one of his coworkers 50 years ago. Turns out the guy just doesn’t want to be best buds off the clock. And Matt comes to the conclusion that it was actually . . . . “racism”? Now he’s forcing old ladies on Connecticut Ave to live with drug addicts in their building to make amends for racism that never actually occurred. This guy is damaged goods.

Housing First and the dc voucher program precedes Frumin by many years.

Maybe. But we’ve never elected someone who’s more interested in prioritizing non Ward 3 residents than existing residents. He thinks he’s in an At Large seat.

https://mattfruminward3.com/ward3forall/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

Wait a minute. So Frumin gets the brush off from one of his coworkers 50 years ago. Turns out the guy just doesn’t want to be best buds off the clock. And Matt comes to the conclusion that it was actually . . . . “racism”? Now he’s forcing old ladies on Connecticut Ave to live with drug addicts in their building to make amends for racism that never actually occurred. This guy is damaged goods.

Housing First and the dc voucher program precedes Frumin by many years.

Maybe. But we’ve never elected someone who’s more interested in prioritizing non Ward 3 residents than existing residents. He thinks he’s in an At Large seat.

https://mattfruminward3.com/ward3forall/

As a non-ward 3 resident I love that you idiots elected someone looking to import crime and misery.

[Anonymous]

"And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe."

This. I have repeatedly asked Allen's office to clarify what rehab is being offered and met as part of his rehab Act. All he pays attention to is the early release part. No explanation of how we, society, are bettered when these folks come out early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe."

This. I have repeatedly asked Allen's office to clarify what rehab is being offered and met as part of his rehab Act. All he pays attention to is the early release part. No explanation of how we, society, are bettered when these folks come out early.

Yup. Need to either rehabilitate them or keep them off the streets. I'm not in favor of mass incarceration either, but there's a lack of disincentives and a lack of rehabilitation and until that changes the only thing we have left is keeping violent repeat offenders off the streets.

[Anonymous]

Have to keep an eye on the actions of USAO, not just Graves' words and letters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
"And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe."

This. I have repeatedly asked Allen's office to clarify what rehab is being offered and met as part of his rehab Act. All he pays attention to is the early release part. No explanation of how we, society, are bettered when these folks come out early.


Yup. Need to either rehabilitate them or keep them off the streets. I'm not in favor of mass incarceration either, but there's a lack of disincentives and a lack of rehabilitation and until that changes the only thing we have left is keeping violent repeat offenders off the streets.

It is the system of confinement/rehab where the money needs to be spent. Not on "violence interruptors" and other "community-based" programs which are really just grift for the politically connected with no proven results or oversight monitoring. DC should buy property in the middle of the mountains of West Virginia and create a real boot camp/job training/therapy based rehab program. Put it in the middle of nowhere so kids have nowhere to run to. Spend the money THERE. It would be far easier to monitor in terms of whether its participants avoid recidivism. Local employers could partner to employ kids who successfully complete the program and it breaks the cycle of hopelessless and dysfunction that these kids are immersed in when they are just being released back into their neighborhoods with no consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Frumin has this weird racism fetish. He keeps telling this decades old story about a colleague who could not buy a house in AU Park because he was black.


It’s important to remember that in Frumin’s story, it’s not that his black friend couldn’t buy a house in AU Park, it’s that his black friend didn’t want to. Then Frumin speculated that it was because his friend didn’t want to be around so many white people:

“I said, ‘Come look at this place; it’s really great.’ But he never did, never said why, and it puzzled me,” Frumin recalled. Years later, he came across an article about the ordeal of “buying a home while Black,” in which the writer was reluctant to live in a neighborhood where few people looked like him and his children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/...an-example-all-land/

It’s just a weird story, weird speculation, and it’s weird that Ward 3 voted in someone like this. But Frumin’s kind of a weird guy in general, he was still doing social distancing as a councilmember in 2023, having ANC members stand in his front lawn during the winter to do their swearing in:

https://twitter.com/CMFrumin/status/1612146690563215362

Have heard Frumin tell this story too. Then laughed about it with an AA colleague who grew up in Ward 8. While white lawyers are more than willing to pay $1M to live in a tiny brick rowhouse in Glover Park, that is NOT the definition of success to a lot of AA professionals who grew up in very similar aged rowhouses scattered across the District. To them success is 5000 brand new square feet of SFH built by Toll Bros. in Upper Marlboro. Like my elderly mom in Georgia, who grew up in old houses with hardwood and radiators. She has been perpetually baffled by my love for old houses---to her the definition of upward mobility was being able to have central heat and wall to wall carpet.

Wait a minute. So Frumin gets the brush off from one of his coworkers 50 years ago. Turns out the guy just doesn’t want to be best buds off the clock. And Matt comes to the conclusion that it was actually . . . . “racism”? Now he’s forcing old ladies on Connecticut Ave to live with drug addicts in their building to make amends for racism that never actually occurred. This guy is damaged goods.

Housing First and the dc voucher program precedes Frumin by many years.

Maybe. But we’ve never elected someone who’s more interested in prioritizing non Ward 3 residents than existing residents. He thinks he’s in an At Large seat.

https://mattfruminward3.com/ward3forall/

Many did not vote for him, there were several candidates. But, we're all stuck with him for 3 more years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not exactly a Frumin fan. But to be fair, council members are expected to attend multiple meetings in day - sometimes in a single evening. If he didn’t get around by car at times, there’s no way he could make them and then he’d be criticised for that. At least he appears to drive himself, rather than insisting that some junior aide drove him around and have the car idling while illegally parked outside.

If even an avowed cyclist like Frumin finds cycling too inconvenient to get around, it should call in to question why the city wants to dedicate so much space to bike lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not exactly a Frumin fan. But to be fair, council members are expected to attend multiple meetings in day - sometimes in a single evening. If he didn’t get around by car at times, there’s no way he could make them and then he’d be criticised for that. At least he appears to drive himself, rather than insisting that some junior aide drove him around and have the car idling while illegally parked outside.

If even an avowed cyclist like Frumin finds cycling too inconvenient to get around, it should call in to question why the city wants to dedicate so much space to bike lanes.

Truth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"And for people who want to say "but jailing them doesn't rehabilitate them" - maybe not, but that's an issue to figure out separately. If you care about rehabilitating them, then figure out how to rehabilitate them while they are in a place where they can't continue to do harm to innocents. But if they are on the streets unrehabilitated, they will continue to commit violent crime - so until they can be rehabilitated, they need to be removed from society to keep society safe."

This. I have repeatedly asked Allen's office to clarify what rehab is being offered and met as part of his rehab Act. All he pays attention to is the early release part. No explanation of how we, society, are bettered when these folks come out early.


Yup. Need to either rehabilitate them or keep them off the streets. I'm not in favor of mass incarceration either, but there's a lack of disincentives and a lack of rehabilitation and until that changes the only thing we have left is keeping violent repeat offenders off the streets.

It is the system of confinement/rehab where the money needs to be spent. Not on "violence interruptors" and other "community-based" programs which are really just grift for the politically connected with no proven results or oversight monitoring. DC should buy property in the middle of the mountains of West Virginia and create a real boot camp/job training/therapy based rehab program. Put it in the middle of nowhere so kids have nowhere to run to. Spend the money THERE. It would be far easier to monitor in terms of whether its participants avoid recidivism. Local employers could partner to employ kids who successfully complete the program and it breaks the cycle of hopelessless and dysfunction that these kids are immersed in when they are just being released back into their neighborhoods with no consequences.

Exactly. And warn the D.C. youth “guests” in WVa. who may be contemplating continued mayhem not to “try that in a small town.”

[Anonymous]

Tonight

[Anonymous]

Woodley park armed robberies. This was not a normal occurrence even in the bad old days of the 90s.

I know it wasn’t Ward 3, but I really thought two Democratic Congressmembers being assaulted and carjacked would lead to some sort of change or a message to be sent to but this sht out.

Maybe having more DC government employees commuting will cause more of them to be victims and demands for change will be heard.