Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:That poor woman. She was probably in shock.

So shocked she went on about her day and later tried to plunge the clogged toilet? They told her twice her baby wasn't viable at the hospital.

Unless they told her something else to do with the body, what else was she supposed to do? Fish it out of the toilet and bury it in her back yard? Call a funeral home? She probably didn’t even know how big it was or want to look.

There’s a reason that women in her position used to be offered therepeutic abortions - to spare them the trauma of having to deal with delivering a stillbirth. But Ohio outlawed this, so this is what happened.

Call for help.

Nice try though trying to blame this on an entire state.

Well the last time she tried to get help at the hospital she got sent home. So maybe she felt like she was basically supposed to handle this alone. And it’s not like she was in a physically and mentally great condition.

Can you quote exactly where, in the article, it says the hospital sent her home? And then where it says what exactly the hospital told her? Or did or didn’t do for her?
Tia!

DP.

Forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified an autopsy found no injury to the fetus, and that the unborn fetus had died before passing through the birth canal. He said Watts’ medical records showed she visited the hospital twice before the delivery.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

The hospital certainly did not keep her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

And yet you can only somewhat sympathize. Pretty cold hearted considering your own loss. I really don’t understand the disconnect.

It’s clear her response was both trauma related and due to not receiving support at any point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

And yet you can only somewhat sympathize. Pretty cold hearted considering your own loss. I really don’t understand the disconnect.

It’s clear her response was both trauma related and due to not receiving support at any point.

So what? Doesn’t make it legal or right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

Wow. Pretty foul.

[Anonymous]

Please don't flush babies down the toilet

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

a) I think a woman should never be prosecuted for anything related to a stillbirth. ffs what is wrong with you.
b) this is ABSOLUTELY related to abortion because she should have been offered a therepeutic abortion when it became clear the pregnancy was not viable. instead she was sent home - and the natural consequence is that she delivered alone and didn’t know exactly what to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

A non viable fetus doesn’t show signs of injury.

of course it can. do you know what happens to a dead fetus in utero? it disintegrates.

Of course it does. And that is called fetal disintegration. A medical examiner will know what that is, and state that on the report. They will not call it injury. So you are 100% incorrect.

let’s see the pathology report

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That poor woman. She was probably in shock.

So shocked she went on about her day and later tried to plunge the clogged toilet? They told her twice her baby wasn't viable at the hospital.

Unless they told her something else to do with the body, what else was she supposed to do? Fish it out of the toilet and bury it in her back yard? Call a funeral home? She probably didn’t even know how big it was or want to look.

There’s a reason that women in her position used to be offered therepeutic abortions - to spare them the trauma of having to deal with delivering a stillbirth. But Ohio outlawed this, so this is what happened.

Call for help.

Nice try though trying to blame this on an entire state.

Well the last time she tried to get help at the hospital she got sent home. So maybe she felt like she was basically supposed to handle this alone. And it’s not like she was in a physically and mentally great condition.

Can you quote exactly where, in the article, it says the hospital sent her home? And then where it says what exactly the hospital told her? Or did or didn’t do for her?
Tia!

DP.

Forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified an autopsy found no injury to the fetus, and that the unborn fetus had died before passing through the birth canal. He said Watts’ medical records showed she visited the hospital twice before the delivery.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

The hospital certainly did not keep her.

You still have no idea if they sent her home. How do you know they didn’t offer to keep her and she declined?

This is my point. You’re making sh¡t up and running with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

Call who? After the hospitals didn't help her. What help can anyone give her?

If you don't know the answer to that question there is no one who can help you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

what facts? even assuming the worst (she deliberately flushed the fetus) I still think it’s horrifying to prosecute her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

Wow. Pretty foul.

Waiting for all the facts is foul? Please explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

what facts? even assuming the worst (she deliberately flushed the fetus) I still think it’s horrifying to prosecute her.

What if the hospital offered to keep her and she left AMA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

+1

People on DCUM still haven’t learned to wait until all the facts are out.

Wow. Pretty foul.

Waiting for all the facts is foul? Please explain.

Your mindset is horrific. It’s not a thought problem. This a mother who lost her child and was denied medical care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

tell us where you delivered your 22 week stillbirth. in a hospital covered by insurance? what happened when you went to the hospital?