Atheism is losing popularity because it won’t own it’s own sins

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish there was a place where I could live without my life being shaped by other people's religious agendas - ie school holidays, laws, etiquette. There is no way to eliminate religion from one's life as those with religion push into every.single.aspect of life. I am an atheist, and I just want to live without seeing or hearing the word god for a while. Sheesh.

Seriously.

Or the daily news about people killing each other over religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

I like this analogy.

OP's post definitely reads like atheism is just a counterpoint to Christianity rather than a reasoned rejection of fables and fairytales.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the evidence that "atheism is losing popularity" when we know that the "nones" continue to grow every year?

The author claims just because people leave religion doesn’t mean they stop believing in something.

He claims a lot of people have been disenchanted by the new atheist movement and are re-examining religion. The author has multiple articles on this issue.

Huh?

Anyone can claim anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So you are citing WWII as your source?
Those numbers are included in the stats on the infographic under Nazi Germany and fascism. Communism-atheism still killed more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

I like this analogy.

OP's post definitely reads like atheism is just a counterpoint to Christianity rather than a reasoned rejection of fables and fairytales.

It seems like some religious people can only view the world through the lens of religion. A life without deep beliefs about supernatural forces just doesn't compute.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So you are citing WWII as your source?
Those numbers are included in the stats on the infographic under Nazi Germany and fascism. Communism-atheism still killed more.

Every bubble that isn't communism counts toward killers who aren't atheists. You can take 10% off of those to account for other atheists.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So WWII wasn’t a necessary war to fight and defeat Nazi Germany?

Communist-atheists killed their own citizens. WWII was about defeating Nazis who threatened the entire world.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

I like this analogy.

OP's post definitely reads like atheism is just a counterpoint to Christianity rather than a reasoned rejection of fables and fairytales.

It seems like some religious people can only view the world through the lens of religion. A life without deep beliefs about supernatural forces just doesn't compute.

A life without deep beliefs in supernatural forces resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So WWII wasn’t a necessary war to fight and defeat Nazi Germany?

Communist-atheists killed their own citizens. WWII was about defeating Nazis who threatened the entire world.

If you want to bubble up all deaths to the leaders, that's fine. A Catholic/Christian (Hitler) and a Buddhist/Shinto (Hirohito) were responsible for all of those deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

I like this analogy.

OP's post definitely reads like atheism is just a counterpoint to Christianity rather than a reasoned rejection of fables and fairytales.

It seems like some religious people can only view the world through the lens of religion. A life without deep beliefs about supernatural forces just doesn't compute.

A life without deep beliefs in supernatural forces resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people.

A life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So WWII wasn’t a necessary war to fight and defeat Nazi Germany?

Communist-atheists killed their own citizens. WWII was about defeating Nazis who threatened the entire world.

On one side of the globe. On the other we wiped out a Japanese empire that was fueled by an extremist version of Shinto. We crushed the Japanese people and destroyed their will so completely that Japan is one of the most atheistic societies on earth now.

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Selective reporting/deleting at work.

Why did the PP only report SOME of the off-topic posts that they didn't like?

The vast majority of these posts are off-topic and yet they go unreported.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You're gonna need to cite that. Because if you look at the last hundred years, deaths in the USSR, Cambodia, China, and elsewhere probably far exceed deaths from religious fanatics.

I didn't say "religious fanatics" or "the last hundred years".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

We heard you the 3 times you have made the same statement on this thread with nothing to back it up. I am sure you will state it 4 times, go ahead.

Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

I'm repeating it because it's true. Most people who kill other people are religious.

If you want to look at the 20th century, "communists" are just a fraction of total killings. Go back farther and the % just drops further.


Most people who kill others (or really commit any crimes) are religious.

Do you have a source for that claim? If not, I am going to say you are making it up. You have no statistics from a reputable source, just very vague and general claims and zero details.

You have a link that shows how religious people commit more crimes than other people?

The vast majority of people killing others in the non-communism bubbles above are religious. ??

DP. Yeah, WWI and WWII weren't religious. Gun violence in the US isn't religious (except for a handful of fanatics).

Atheist pp is pulling stuff out of her butt, which is sad to watch.

Huh? I'm not talking about fanatics. I'm talking generally about people who kill others. Most of them are religious. Atheists only make up a small % of people. Certainly in WWI and WWII most of the people killing others (and more importantly those driving the killing) were religious.

So you are citing WWII as your source?
Those numbers are included in the stats on the infographic under Nazi Germany and fascism. Communism-atheism still killed more.

Every bubble that isn't communism counts toward killers who aren't atheists. You can take 10% off of those to account for other atheists.

It’s not individual killers, it’s their ideology.

Only a few countries had and have state mandated atheism- but those countries killed 100 million of their own citizens.

Democracy is on the infographic-it’s accounted for.

I'm talking about individual killers, not ideologies.

Most killers are religious. Apparently believing in the supernatural doesn't stop people from killing others.