Disruptive student in class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Are you comparing a fully mature adult with a third-grader?

Are you saying a fully mature adult should be better protected than a third-grader?

Should consequences for an adult hitting an adult be greater than a child hitting a child? Um, yes?

By third grade they should be the same.

Really? An eight year old hitting my kid should get the same consequence as the teacher hitting my kid?

Would expect the kid to be suspended minimum. Same for teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.

Unless your kid is the #1 bully in the school, EVERY parent needs to be concerned. Administrators will continue to do NOTHING until then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Are you comparing a fully mature adult with a third-grader?

Are you saying a fully mature adult should be better protected than a third-grader?

Should consequences for an adult hitting an adult be greater than a child hitting a child? Um, yes?

By third grade they should be the same.

Really? An eight year old hitting my kid should get the same consequence as the teacher hitting my kid?

Well, I mean, there would be no consequences for you hitting your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Are you comparing a fully mature adult with a third-grader?

Are you saying a fully mature adult should be better protected than a third-grader?

Yes. By third grade, your kid should be able to take a beating with grace and composure and realize that the kid doing the hitting is the one with serious problems and that any complaint may just make those problems worse

Just like the rest of society is supposed to feel bad for criminals and not call the police because it would just "make their problems worse." False compassion for the perpetrator and misery for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Are you comparing a fully mature adult with a third-grader?

Are you saying a fully mature adult should be better protected than a third-grader?

Yes. By third grade, your kid should be able to take a beating with grace and composure and realize that the kid doing the hitting is the one with serious problems and that any complaint may just make those problems worse

Just like the rest of society is supposed to feel bad for criminals and not call the police because it would just "make their problems worse." False compassion for the perpetrator and misery for everyone else.

Because the law treats juveniles the same as adults?

[Anonymous]

For a kid, being suspended would depend on age, situation, prior history, do they have a disability, are they already in a self-contained program like SESES. Also, there's the question of does a suspension actually solve the problem, other than maybe telling the parent there is one if they are in denial? Especially if it's a kid with special needs, vs. one doing it willfully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a kid, being suspended would depend on age, situation, prior history, do they have a disability, are they already in a self-contained program like SESES. Also, there's the question of does a suspension actually solve the problem, other than maybe telling the parent there is one if they are in denial? Especially if it's a kid with special needs, vs. one doing it willfully.

Suspension gets the violent kid out of class for a few days at least.

[Anonymous]

I think letting the kid stay in class immediately after striking someone gives the message that this was not a serious thing. I thought kids go to the principals office at a minimum and their parents notified.

[Anonymous]

This thread has convinced me to train my kid in martial arts for self defense at school. What a sad state of affairs.

[Anonymous]

Many times they will blame the teacher for bad management even though the lack of support makes them feel powerless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has convinced me to train my kid in martial arts for self defense at school. What a sad state of affairs.

Don’t believe everything you read online! I have two sons who have never encountered anything like this in all their years.

[Anonymous]

I substitute at our W cluster elementary and kids hit kids almost every day. Most of the time it's not a hard hit, and it's a trip to the admin and some kind of consequence like missing choice time and I think that's appropriate.

Suspension is not appropriate for most kids because it just teaches them that hitting gets them the reward of not having to go to school.

The thing that worries me about OP's case is that the child has hit kids multiple times in one week and school just started. Most of the kids who get sent to admin for hitting do it once or twice. Maybe another time they may have pushed a kid but it's unusual for a child to hit different children that many times in one week.

That would probably lead to an emergency meeting with parents, implementation of an individual behavior or management plan and a discussion about whether special needs testing needs to be done.

If a child is not diagnosed with special needs at the time the family is called in this can be a difficult meeting because many parents are really scared of having their child labeled as special needs so they become oppositional at the meeting and start blaming the school, the teacher or other kids.

The parents of the kids who already have IEPs or 504 plans are usually really apologetic and have already taken measures with private therapists to address the issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has convinced me to train my kid in martial arts for self defense at school. What a sad state of affairs.

Don’t believe everything you read online! I have two sons who have never encountered anything like this in all their years.

Consider yourself lucky. But believe me, it happens! I posted earlier in this thread that my daughter had an extremely disruptive and violent student in her class. Her classroom was routinely evacuated for long periods of time. The student hit the teacher, hit students, tossed around furniture. When classroom requests came in for the following year, I wrote down that I would not have her in a class with the student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has convinced me to train my kid in martial arts for self defense at school. What a sad state of affairs.

Don’t believe everything you read online! I have two sons who have never encountered anything like this in all their years.

You are fortunate. What grades are they in? Are they still in MCPS?

We had this in ES. My kid was not involved, but there was a violent student in his class. It was pretty terrible.

We actually did talk about self-defense and trying to steer clear of people who are unstable, etc. But it was definitely stressful and the admin didn’t seem to do much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I substitute at our W cluster elementary and kids hit kids almost every day. Most of the time it's not a hard hit, and it's a trip to the admin and some kind of consequence like missing choice time and I think that's appropriate.

Suspension is not appropriate for most kids because it just teaches them that hitting gets them the reward of not having to go to school.

The thing that worries me about OP's case is that the child has hit kids multiple times in one week and school just started. Most of the kids who get sent to admin for hitting do it once or twice. Maybe another time they may have pushed a kid but it's unusual for a child to hit different children that many times in one week.

That would probably lead to an emergency meeting with parents, implementation of an individual behavior or management plan and a discussion about whether special needs testing needs to be done.

If a child is not diagnosed with special needs at the time the family is called in this can be a difficult meeting because many parents are really scared of having their child labeled as special needs so they become oppositional at the meeting and start blaming the school, the teacher or other kids.

The parents of the kids who already have IEPs or 504 plans are usually really apologetic and have already taken measures with private therapists to address the issue.

An uncharacteristically mature and accurate post for the MCPS forum. Thanks, pp.