People getting crap jobs from HYPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

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Huh? Where are you getting your source.

Columbia applied math degree grad, work in stem at place that can only recruit and hire Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

Any news articles on that?

WSJ has done a couple.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mckinsey-bain-hire-new-m-b-a-s-but-they-may-not-work-for-months-d805f14b

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jobs-new-college-graduates-2023-labor-market-openings-7195e28

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

Can you name one mathematician?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

Any news articles on that?

WSJ has done a couple.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mckinsey-bain-hire-new-m-b-a-s-but-they-may-not-work-for-months-d805f14b

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jobs-new-college-graduates-2023-labor-market-openings-7195e28

Meant for 2001 & 2008/2009, not 2023

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do highly credentialed HYPS grads accept crap jobs after graduation?

My neighbor’s son is a senior at a HYPS right now, and she told me that her son just accepted a job offer after graduation. When I asked her what the job is, she told me that her son is moving to Oregon to be a full-time whitewater kayaking instructor.

I was bewildered by this. With a math degree from HYPS, I would assume he’d get a great job offer at graduation.

Oh and for the record, it’s not like he is a rich kid who can rely on his parents — he is solidly middle class and went to his college on a good amount of financial aid.

Probably wants to move back home but waiting for the creepy neighbor to kick off first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do highly credentialed HYPS grads accept crap jobs after graduation?

My neighbor’s son is a senior at a HYPS right now, and she told me that her son just accepted a job offer after graduation. When I asked her what the job is, she told me that her son is moving to Oregon to be a full-time whitewater kayaking instructor.

I was bewildered by this. With a math degree from HYPS, I would assume he’d get a great job offer at graduation.

Oh and for the record, it’s not like he is a rich kid who can rely on his parents — he is solidly middle class and went to his college on a good amount of financial aid.

This person went to 4 schools?

Should my kid apply to UMd-Tulane-NotreDame-Grinnell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

According to U.S. News & World Report, Princeton ties with MIT for #1 for its Math department. Harvard ties with a few others for #3. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/mathematics-rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

According to U.S. News & World Report, Princeton ties with MIT for #1 for its Math department. Harvard ties with a few others for #3. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/mathematics-rankings

So now you wanna talk Graduate math Degrees or stay on the ugrad program, applied maths?

I know both well, but definitely won’t conflate them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

Any news articles on that?

WSJ has done a couple.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mckinsey-bain-hire-new-m-b-a-s-but-they-may-not-work-for-months-d805f14b

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jobs-new-college-graduates-2023-labor-market-openings-7195e28

Meant for 2001 & 2008/2009, not 2023

Bizarre. That’s common knowledge, look up your own historic knowledge.

The articles for April/may 2023 are damning.

Good luck out there entry level workers!

[Anonymous]

1. Heard many kids say after Covid: I want to be outside, and working with others.

2. That’s a rich kid job, so his HYSP school made him upwardly mobile 😉. Congrats!

3. He’ll be richer for his experiences and have a life that’s fun to talk about.

4. When he’s ready for something else, he’ll do fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Heard many kids say after Covid: I want to be outside, and working with others.

2. That’s a rich kid job, so his HYSP school made him upwardly mobile 😉. Congrats!

3. He’ll be richer for his experiences and have a life that’s fun to talk about.

4. When he’s ready for something else, he’ll do fine.

Nope. Rich kids work high paying jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

My Ivy certainly had a lab for my stem degree. We had our own chip fab, wind tunnel, and built our own nano sats. Sure GT, CalTech, and MIT are on another level but businesses value more than just raw technical talent which is where Ivys and Stanford shine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Heard many kids say after Covid: I want to be outside, and working with others.

2. That’s a rich kid job, so his HYSP school made him upwardly mobile 😉. Congrats!

3. He’ll be richer for his experiences and have a life that’s fun to talk about.

4. When he’s ready for something else, he’ll do fine.

+100

The richest Ivy Leaguers I know spent a few years teaching English abroad, making pottery, joining the Peace Corps, etc etc, before eventually seeking “traditional” careers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Heard many kids say after Covid: I want to be outside, and working with others.

2. That’s a rich kid job, so his HYSP school made him upwardly mobile 😉. Congrats!

3. He’ll be richer for his experiences and have a life that’s fun to talk about.

4. When he’s ready for something else, he’ll do fine.

Nope. Rich kids work high paying jobs.

Nope. They don't have to.

I don't think you know any rich ppl and your view is what typical UMC ppl do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Heard many kids say after Covid: I want to be outside, and working with others.

2. That’s a rich kid job, so his HYSP school made him upwardly mobile 😉. Congrats!

3. He’ll be richer for his experiences and have a life that’s fun to talk about.

4. When he’s ready for something else, he’ll do fine.

Nope. Rich kids work high paying jobs.

Nope. They don't have to.

I don't think you know any rich ppl and your view is what typical UMC ppl do.

But they do anyway.