People getting crap jobs from HYPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kayaking instructor isn’t a “crap job” he had to take because IB didn’t want him. That’s something he pursued with intention. There are few times in your life when you can take a paying job doing EXACTLY what you want to do, but age 22 is one of those times. It sounds like a great plan to me and his math degree isn’t going anywhere.
FWIW my kid is at HYP and feeling the pressure to have some amazing career path right out of the gate in no small part because of the culture of the school. I’ve encouraged her to think of her 20s as really “hers” and a time when it’s ok if the path twists around a bit. We aren’t wealthy, she needs and wants to be a self sufficient adult, and the good news is there are so many ways to do that

You are wrong. Your twenties are the time to jump-start your career.

Both you and your DD need to read “The Defining Decade” by Meg Jay. Young adults in their twenties NEED to be gunners.

Nope the HYP DD already has a leg up and does not need to be a nonstop striver.

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Exactly. I'm HYP and majoring in math was HARD - those kids are ridiculously smart. IB will take him anytime he wants to start, so he probably knows because his parents are not wealthy he's going to wind up putting in those hours and making bank. Might as well recharge for a year doing something you love.

What's great is he'll be so good/committed to kayaking after a year of only doing it is that he'll probably stay healthy/happier when he does go bust his ass.

End of story - a kid smart enough to major in math and graduate from HYPS is way smarter than you are, so I wouldn't worry too much about his plan. He has one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

Any news articles on that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

In my DC’s field, the typical start date is in the September or October after graduating. This is to give time to make a dent in the set of professional exams this profession requires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

This is happening. Just like in 2001 and 2008/09. Deferred start dates.

Any news articles on that?

Maybe. I get it from board meetings. Mass media articles that aren’t OpEds are on a couple months delay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is fun and enjoyable and like a gap year. I know a kid who graduated from one of these schools, worked as a backwoods hiking guide for a year, then joined a top tier investment bank.

Interesting point.

Op- find out if the kid secured a job offer and is deferring 12 months.

That is common in banking and consulting during a downturn. They hire 6-12 mos before the summer training program begins and instead of rescinding offers they offer deferrals.

In my DC’s field, the typical start date is in the September or October after graduating. This is to give time to make a dent in the set of professional exams this profession requires.

Ok.

If you already signed a lease they’ll plug you into a different role and have you defer a year. Better than rolling the dice on 1-3 rounds of layoffs; you’re protected for 12 mos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kayaking instructor isn’t a “crap job” he had to take because IB didn’t want him. That’s something he pursued with intention. There are few times in your life when you can take a paying job doing EXACTLY what you want to do, but age 22 is one of those times. It sounds like a great plan to me and his math degree isn’t going anywhere.
FWIW my kid is at HYP and feeling the pressure to have some amazing career path right out of the gate in no small part because of the culture of the school. I’ve encouraged her to think of her 20s as really “hers” and a time when it’s ok if the path twists around a bit. We aren’t wealthy, she needs and wants to be a self sufficient adult, and the good news is there are so many ways to do that

You are wrong. Your twenties are the time to jump-start your career.

Both you and your DD need to read “The Defining Decade” by Meg Jay. Young adults in their twenties NEED to be gunners.

It’s this goofball again.

Guess what goofball — you don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives. If other people want to mess around in their 20s, it’s not your business at all.

It’s fine to be poor in your 20s. I did, I had a great time, and now I’ve got a paid off house, fully paid school for my kids, and more money than I can use.

Not everyone wants to grind through life maximizing the time value of every cent and every minute.

[Anonymous]

I imagine w 10 pages of comments, this has been said - this generation of kids has a large group who are not buying into the whole lifestyle we Gen X parents were sold. They’re doing life as they want which will appear far different than what we did in our 20s. I say power to them!

[Anonymous]

Let the inheritances flow down!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kayaking instructor isn’t a “crap job” he had to take because IB didn’t want him. That’s something he pursued with intention. There are few times in your life when you can take a paying job doing EXACTLY what you want to do, but age 22 is one of those times. It sounds like a great plan to me and his math degree isn’t going anywhere.
FWIW my kid is at HYP and feeling the pressure to have some amazing career path right out of the gate in no small part because of the culture of the school. I’ve encouraged her to think of her 20s as really “hers” and a time when it’s ok if the path twists around a bit. We aren’t wealthy, she needs and wants to be a self sufficient adult, and the good news is there are so many ways to do that

You are wrong. Your twenties are the time to jump-start your career.

Both you and your DD need to read “The Defining Decade” by Meg Jay. Young adults in their twenties NEED to be gunners.

It’s this goofball again.

Guess what goofball — you don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives. If other people want to mess around in their 20s, it’s not your business at all.

It’s fine to be poor in your 20s. I did, I had a great time, and now I’ve got a paid off house, fully paid school for my kids, and more money than I can use.

Not everyone wants to grind through life maximizing the time value of every cent and every minute.

NP here. I kind of agree with your point, but you undermine your argument when you insult the PP by calling him/her a goofball. I tend to be more persuaded by people who make their point without attacking a person.

[Anonymous]

I’m the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I tried my hand at majoring in math at a regional state school. Got to Calc II (which went fine) and then an introduction to proofs class. I found it brutally hard; nearly failed it. So the idea what somewhat motivated enough to finish a BS in math would decide to go be a kayak instructor is odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I tried my hand at majoring in math at a regional state school. Got to Calc II (which went fine) and then an introduction to proofs class. I found it brutally hard; nearly failed it. So the idea what somewhat motivated enough to finish a BS in math would decide to go be a kayak instructor is odd.

*I’m not the sharpest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kayaking instructor isn’t a “crap job” he had to take because IB didn’t want him. That’s something he pursued with intention. There are few times in your life when you can take a paying job doing EXACTLY what you want to do, but age 22 is one of those times. It sounds like a great plan to me and his math degree isn’t going anywhere.
FWIW my kid is at HYP and feeling the pressure to have some amazing career path right out of the gate in no small part because of the culture of the school. I’ve encouraged her to think of her 20s as really “hers” and a time when it’s ok if the path twists around a bit. We aren’t wealthy, she needs and wants to be a self sufficient adult, and the good news is there are so many ways to do that

You are wrong. Your twenties are the time to jump-start your career.

Both you and your DD need to read “The Defining Decade” by Meg Jay. Young adults in their twenties NEED to be gunners.

It’s this goofball again.

Guess what goofball — you don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives. If other people want to mess around in their 20s, it’s not your business at all.

It’s fine to be poor in your 20s. I did, I had a great time, and now I’ve got a paid off house, fully paid school for my kids, and more money than I can use.

Not everyone wants to grind through life maximizing the time value of every cent and every minute.

NP here. I kind of agree with your point, but you undermine your argument when you insult the PP by calling him/her a goofball. I tend to be more persuaded by people who make their point without attacking a person.

That’s fair, but this same PP on another thread was basically telling multiple people that they were wrong about their own life experience (e.g. “no, you don’t have the amount of money you claim to, because you didn’t follow my plan for your life in your 20s”), which I found very silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

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Huh? Where are you getting your source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kayaking instructor isn’t a “crap job” he had to take because IB didn’t want him. That’s something he pursued with intention. There are few times in your life when you can take a paying job doing EXACTLY what you want to do, but age 22 is one of those times. It sounds like a great plan to me and his math degree isn’t going anywhere.
FWIW my kid is at HYP and feeling the pressure to have some amazing career path right out of the gate in no small part because of the culture of the school. I’ve encouraged her to think of her 20s as really “hers” and a time when it’s ok if the path twists around a bit. We aren’t wealthy, she needs and wants to be a self sufficient adult, and the good news is there are so many ways to do that

You are wrong. Your twenties are the time to jump-start your career.

Both you and your DD need to read “The Defining Decade” by Meg Jay. Young adults in their twenties NEED to be gunners.

It’s this goofball again.

Guess what goofball — you don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives. If other people want to mess around in their 20s, it’s not your business at all.

It’s fine to be poor in your 20s. I did, I had a great time, and now I’ve got a paid off house, fully paid school for my kids, and more money than I can use.

Not everyone wants to grind through life maximizing the time value of every cent and every minute.

Yes this last part! Just beating the description of that book from PP makes me feel depressed. Loved my 20s and I have a great career now. Not everyone has to be financially maximizing every second.