How to convince spouse home renovations make financial sense

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

So hire a handyman and get the worst parts done. If you can’t do that without a HELOC, you can’t afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Go ahead and hire one. But then you'll "need" a new living room set, a furnace, a roof, etc. etc.

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OPs original question was how to convince the spouse that home renovations make financial sense. OP is unwilling to accept that home renovations do not make financial sense, but repairs do. New furniture does not make financial sense, but repairing current furniture probably does. OP then attacks posters for our bad sense, but OP is the one off base and is lucky the spouse is not. If spouse is unwilling to pay for maintenance and repairs, that is different, but that is not a 200k renovation.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Posters are talking about repairs and basic maintenance not the six figure renovation OP wants.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Posters are talking about repairs and basic maintenance not the six figure renovation OP wants.

No, because OP thinks this is all connected. OP thinks that if she paints a room, she "has to" buy new furniture for it, everyone does, it's just common sense, etc. etc. etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Posters are talking about repairs and basic maintenance not the six figure renovation OP wants.

Good luck with calling it “repairs and maintenance”. The house sounds awful.

[Anonymous]

OP, I feel for you. Wanting to replace or repair/recover a 23 yo sofa is not unreasonable. What I’d do in your shoes is come up with a master plan.

Write out your finances and expected costs over 10 years. Get a bunch of estimates for each project. Also, have a real estate agent or two come over and tell you what they’d price your house at now and what improvements they’d recommend. We’ve done this and friends have too, and it’s helpful. It’s free and they’ll do it hoping you’ll use and refer them.

One you have all that, write out a plan for the renovations. Then you bring it to your DH and tell him you’d like to do this. Hopefully he’ll be more open, and you can prioritize.

I think it will be reasonable to ask him to compromise, he can’t have his way by default. GL!

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Posters are talking about repairs and basic maintenance not the six figure renovation OP wants.

Good luck with calling it “repairs and maintenance”. The house sounds awful.

Maybe OP doesn't know what that means but I do because our home has been maintained, not updated or renovated.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

Yes when things fall apart they must be renovated. After 20+ years, it is perfectly normal that things have degraded and need to be renovated. The only question is: can you afford the renovations. If you can’t, this is ok, you continue to life in the crappy place until you can afford to renovate it. If you can afford it, you renovate and enjoy your place.
You are all wrong to tell OP that she acts entitled because she wants to renovate her place.
The discussion should be about affordability, can she afford it. The answer is a clear: Yes she can. She isn’t poor.

No, she is not poor but unless she starts communicating with her husband - not whining - she could be divorced.
PP is right, this is not a question of whether OP can afford it or deserves it or not. This is not a financial issue. It is a relationship issue and OP bullying her husband to do something he is not comfortable doing is a recipe for problems.
Take some of the money you have OP and invest in your marriage: couples counseling to work through the different approaches to finances that you and your husband have. Think of the counselor as more a moderator.

Lol

Our marriage is fine. We’ve been together since we were teens. We don’t fight. I don’t whine in an attempt to get my way. We certainly don’t need therapy.

He was against “costly” travel until I just started booking trips, and now he’s on board.

A kitchen, etc renovation isn’t something I can just do without his support.

I guess I misjudged Dcumlandia. I assumed someone must have a cheap, risk averse partner who needed coaxing to open up the wallet. Guess I was wrong. Apparently everyone is either rich enough that nobody worries, or everyone is living with 1980s homes that will never be renovated.

I’m more convinced than ever that I need to get rolling on updates so we can enjoy our home and protect its value before it’s too late.

Thank you for weighing in…even the critics.

I totally agree with you OP. The reaction your critics is very ridiculous. You can afford to renovate your home, go for it.
Your husband will get on board once he sees how nice and enjoyable it is to live in a nicer house. He'll thank you for it.
I had a similar situation. Our house didn't have a deck and the backyard had a slope that made it uncomfortable to use for outdoor entertainment and barbecues.
Hubby was against spending money to build a deck. Every other house in our neighborhood had a deck. I made the case that a deck would increase the value of our house and make it competitive with other houses in the neighborhood. He was not having it. I decided to ignore him and hired a contractor to build it. He was mad at first. but today he enjoys this deck more than anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so bad for OP’s husband, trying to negotiate with someone who is so histrionic + irrational.

She says there is no room to cut back due to their frugal (albeit with travel) lifestyle. It would have to come from a home equity loan since they can’t afford it otherwise. Those old cars are going to need to be replaced sooner than later. How old is the water heater and hvac?

I meant there aren’t any obviously frivolous expenses to cut in order to bolster the case (such as tuition, cleaning service, landscaping, luxury cars, etc.). My point is that we live frugally and have savings and aren’t over-extended, no that we are living paycheck to paycheck.

HVAC is top of the line and is newer than the house. Ditto for water heater. Both are well maintained.

I think we will end up tackling the two biggest projects separately using cash.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

Yes when things fall apart they must be renovated. After 20+ years, it is perfectly normal that things have degraded and need to be renovated. The only question is: can you afford the renovations. If you can’t, this is ok, you continue to life in the crappy place until you can afford to renovate it. If you can afford it, you renovate and enjoy your place.
You are all wrong to tell OP that she acts entitled because she wants to renovate her place.
The discussion should be about affordability, can she afford it. The answer is a clear: Yes she can. She isn’t poor.

No, she is not poor but unless she starts communicating with her husband - not whining - she could be divorced.
PP is right, this is not a question of whether OP can afford it or deserves it or not. This is not a financial issue. It is a relationship issue and OP bullying her husband to do something he is not comfortable doing is a recipe for problems.
Take some of the money you have OP and invest in your marriage: couples counseling to work through the different approaches to finances that you and your husband have. Think of the counselor as more a moderator.

Lol

Our marriage is fine. We’ve been together since we were teens. We don’t fight. I don’t whine in an attempt to get my way. We certainly don’t need therapy.

He was against “costly” travel until I just started booking trips, and now he’s on board.

A kitchen, etc renovation isn’t something I can just do without his support.

I guess I misjudged Dcumlandia. I assumed someone must have a cheap, risk averse partner who needed coaxing to open up the wallet. Guess I was wrong. Apparently everyone is either rich enough that nobody worries, or everyone is living with 1980s homes that will never be renovated.

I’m more convinced than ever that I need to get rolling on updates so we can enjoy our home and protect its value before it’s too late.

Thank you for weighing in…even the critics.

I’m pp, and just reading back through a couple of pages. A friend hired contractors to renovate her kitchen without telling her DH. She did that with painters too. Her DH wasn’t on board, but wasn’t mad either when she just did it. I guess that’s how they work. Maybe you could start with the sofa? I mean if you’ve already done that with vacations.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

There is no need to live in a hovel simply because one person is a cheapskate or doesn’t think their partner’s wishes count for anything.

A "hovel"?!
The dramatic posters on this thread are the best!

What word would you use to describe warped gutters, peeling exterior paint, warped cabinets/nonfunctional drawers, broken/chipped floor tiles, lumpy torn sofas, chipped and wobbly tables, etc.

A house that needs a handyperson.

Which is a hovel until said handyman arrives on the scene and repairs are made.
It’s amusing to watch the posters who are so nitpicky about home listings in the real estate section suddenly change their tunes here.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Posters are talking about repairs and basic maintenance not the six figure renovation OP wants.

No, because OP thinks this is all connected. OP thinks that if she paints a room, she "has to" buy new furniture for it, everyone does, it's just common sense, etc. etc. etc.

No, I think that if I gut my kitchen and build a new one that I should buy a new table and chairs to go with it. Ditto for what will be a new family room open to the kitchen. No other furniture is contemplated.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

Yes when things fall apart they must be renovated. After 20+ years, it is perfectly normal that things have degraded and need to be renovated. The only question is: can you afford the renovations. If you can’t, this is ok, you continue to life in the crappy place until you can afford to renovate it. If you can afford it, you renovate and enjoy your place.
You are all wrong to tell OP that she acts entitled because she wants to renovate her place.
The discussion should be about affordability, can she afford it. The answer is a clear: Yes she can. She isn’t poor.

No, she is not poor but unless she starts communicating with her husband - not whining - she could be divorced.
PP is right, this is not a question of whether OP can afford it or deserves it or not. This is not a financial issue. It is a relationship issue and OP bullying her husband to do something he is not comfortable doing is a recipe for problems.
Take some of the money you have OP and invest in your marriage: couples counseling to work through the different approaches to finances that you and your husband have. Think of the counselor as more a moderator.

Lol

Our marriage is fine. We’ve been together since we were teens. We don’t fight. I don’t whine in an attempt to get my way. We certainly don’t need therapy.

He was against “costly” travel until I just started booking trips, and now he’s on board.

A kitchen, etc renovation isn’t something I can just do without his support.

I guess I misjudged Dcumlandia. I assumed someone must have a cheap, risk averse partner who needed coaxing to open up the wallet. Guess I was wrong. Apparently everyone is either rich enough that nobody worries, or everyone is living with 1980s homes that will never be renovated.

I’m more convinced than ever that I need to get rolling on updates so we can enjoy our home and protect its value before it’s too late.

Thank you for weighing in…even the critics.

I’m pp, and just reading back through a couple of pages. A friend hired contractors to renovate her kitchen without telling her DH. She did that with painters too. Her DH wasn’t on board, but wasn’t mad either when she just did it. I guess that’s how they work. Maybe you could start with the sofa? I mean if you’ve already done that with vacations.

I’ve held off on buying new family room furniture until we do the kitchen since the two areas face each other.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not expect to get a lot of return on 15 year old renovations

Selling a house 15 years from now with original 1980s everything or with 2023 updates are the options.

Which is better?

I think we will need to heavily discount a home with 1980s fixtures. I think we can rather easily maintain a renovated house (particularly since we no longer have very young children). And we could enjoy our home rather than be embarrassed by it.

You'd be a lot happier in life if you could let go of the shame and guilt, because I'm assuming you think that way for everything: cars, clothes, vacations, college, what people do for a living, etc. Insecurity is poisoning your life.

I empathize if you bought a house with fixtures you don't like, but come on. The immense majority of people in this world live in houses that are not catalog worthy! I live in a very old and tiny house in Bethesda: we could only afford to redo the ground floor. None of the upstairs doors can close, even the bathroom door. The bathroom window frame is falling apart. The floor is uneven. We have the same gutter problem and the garage is so dilapidated it's a miracle it's still standing.

And yet I love my house. I bought it because it had good bones and lots of light coming from all sides. We have a fun garden with plants we took some effort to find online.

You can all the renovations you want, but it's your mind you've got to fix. Don't be embarrassed by old, worn things. Find value in at least some of them. Don't waste your time thinking for one second what the neighbors think.

I hear ya, but you are wrong when it comes to me. I’m not insecure and I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses. As I said, we drive old cars. I still wear clothes I bought in college. I’m not materialistic at all.

The 1980s kitchen and bathrooms didn’t really bother me when we bought our home in the early 2000s, but 20 years later they are really starting to fall apart. I don’t think I’m being ridiculous by wanting to renovate. I mean, you renovated your first floor, so presumably you have a nice kitchen, etc.

OK. It’s just the way you phrased things made it sound cosmetic instead of functional.

Try living with 1980s bathrooms and kitchen and then you’ll realize it’s a functional need and not merely cosmetic.

My family room furniture was purchased in 2000. Anyone else have a sofa and coffee table from the year 2000? Ditto for my kitchen table.

Sorry, but I have to jump in here. My family home in Europe was built in the 18th century. I was put in an antique crib, and much of the fixtures and furniture are from the previous century or earlier. You'd probably die if you saw the kitchen: it's not pretty, but we make great meals in it (the 20th century kitchen, not the original kitchens which are in the basements and have huge fireplaces).

Here in the US I go to estate sales and purchase old, period-looking furniture, on purpose, because it looks well in my 1920s house. You should get a new sofa if it's been damaged over the years, but tables?!? Tables can last for years.

You seem to be under the delusion that these things are disposable. Only a very few people in this world just throw out their interiors every few years and buy new. The rest just replace pieces as they age and live with aging furniture and decor, because it's normal.

You are free to spend your money as you wish, OP. But for goodness sake stop thinking you are somehow owed new decor.

I've been following and this is what has been bothering me about OP's attitude. She comes across as she feels she is entitled to home renovations and new furniture just because things are old and/or falling apart. That is just not how it works. I honestly wish it did but that is not how life is. You either can afford things or you do without. This is such a basic tenet of life yet OP does not seem to understand. Her husband does not seem to think they can afford all she wants done. Because she comes across as, frankly, immature and entitled I find myself finding her husband's stance way more credible.

Yes when things fall apart they must be renovated. After 20+ years, it is perfectly normal that things have degraded and need to be renovated. The only question is: can you afford the renovations. If you can’t, this is ok, you continue to life in the crappy place until you can afford to renovate it. If you can afford it, you renovate and enjoy your place.
You are all wrong to tell OP that she acts entitled because she wants to renovate her place.
The discussion should be about affordability, can she afford it. The answer is a clear: Yes she can. She isn’t poor.

No, she is not poor but unless she starts communicating with her husband - not whining - she could be divorced.
PP is right, this is not a question of whether OP can afford it or deserves it or not. This is not a financial issue. It is a relationship issue and OP bullying her husband to do something he is not comfortable doing is a recipe for problems.
Take some of the money you have OP and invest in your marriage: couples counseling to work through the different approaches to finances that you and your husband have. Think of the counselor as more a moderator.

Lol

Our marriage is fine. We’ve been together since we were teens. We don’t fight. I don’t whine in an attempt to get my way. We certainly don’t need therapy.

He was against “costly” travel until I just started booking trips, and now he’s on board.

A kitchen, etc renovation isn’t something I can just do without his support.

I guess I misjudged Dcumlandia. I assumed someone must have a cheap, risk averse partner who needed coaxing to open up the wallet. Guess I was wrong. Apparently everyone is either rich enough that nobody worries, or everyone is living with 1980s homes that will never be renovated.

I’m more convinced than ever that I need to get rolling on updates so we can enjoy our home and protect its value before it’s too late.

Thank you for weighing in…even the critics.

I totally agree with you OP. The reaction your critics is very ridiculous. You can afford to renovate your home, go for it.
Your husband will get on board once he sees how nice and enjoyable it is to live in a nicer house. He'll thank you for it.
I had a similar situation. Our house didn't have a deck and the backyard had a slope that made it uncomfortable to use for outdoor entertainment and barbecues.
Hubby was against spending money to build a deck. Every other house in our neighborhood had a deck. I made the case that a deck would increase the value of our house and make it competitive with other houses in the neighborhood. He was not having it. I decided to ignore him and hired a contractor to build it. He was mad at first. but today he enjoys this deck more than anyone else.

I love how your marital advice to OP is that she should do whatever she wants, against her husbands wishes, and just hope and pray he comes around. Sounds like a really healthy marriage you’ve got there!