Columbia University becomes first Ivy League institution to go permanently test-optional

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to be a poor white kid because they’re typically in rural areas.

It's a demographic that nobody cares about, whether on the left or right.

The US is a weird country, because working class/poor people are divided politically between the two parties, mostly based on race. Which is intentional by the people in power. We've never had a true "labor" party like they have in European countries. One of the ways this line between poor White and non-White people is maintained is by parceling out public benefits (such as education) by race, rather than by social class.

So, progressives hand out educational opportunity to minorities in exchange for their vote, and poor, rural White people are kept angry and separated from the people they have the most aligned interests with, which keeps them voting Republican.

test optional and FGLI hook helps poor white kids, and if you stopped being resentful about it, you'd see that.

Let me know when there’s equivalents of the Posse program or elite universities doing outreach to middle school/high school kids for rural poor whites

Questbridge is open to any high school senior.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M just posted "W&M extends test-optional admission process indefinitely"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/03/01/wm-extends-test-optional-admission-process-indefinitely/?utm_source=facebookwm&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=03022023-test-optional&fbclid=IwAR3VXft4vCy2P9kfpkWJkL6KFBPabHklA3hg3DNT5fO8ka0LvVyJBErY738

Evidence from link that many non-URM students are applying and getting accepted TO:

In the university’s latest entering class, which started in the fall, 34% of enrolling students applied without test scores.

Considering W&M’s yield rate nearly half of accepted students applied TO. Statistically, the majority were white students.

This what most don't understand: in sheer numbers, test optional benefits whites more than URMs.

URMs are URMs for a reason: they are UNDERREPRESENTED in college admissions and matriculation.

They are proportional to their occurrence in the general US population. In that manner, they are actually over-represented minorities at many schools.

Whites are under-represented at Hopkins for the same reason. (19%)

This is completely false. Have you seen the racial demographics of top universities? URMs are called that because they are STILL underrepresented.

They are underrepresented compared to the general population, which is irrelevant to elite college admissions. They are not underrepresented among college ready seniors.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an anecdote for you. I'm a white guy from a working class background with parents who never finished high school. I went to a no-name college because it never even occurred to me to apply anywhere else. I ended up with an extremely high GPA and, with coaxing and coaching from a dean of the college, ended up winning a highly prestigious scholarship for graduate studies abroad .

I did not do well on the SAT and also bombed the LSAT. Coming from my background, it honestly never even occurred to me that I needed to or should prep for it. I literally thought to myself "ok, to apply to law school you need to take the LSAT," so I simply signed up and walk into the exam room and took it.

My LSAT score easily placed me in the bottom ten percent of accepted applicants. In a school where the median score of my entering class was well above the 90th percentile, my score was in the 60th percentile. I was admitted to the law school solely on the basis of my GPA and because I applied from abroad while on my graduate scholarship.

I finished my 1L year first in the class, and it wasn't close. Number 2 was an Ivy League grad with a perfect LSAT score. I was retroactively awarded a full scholarship. I ended up graduating in the top 5, landing a top federal court of appeals clerkship, getting hired by one of the most selective Biglaw firms in the country, and eventually made equity partner.

Bottom line: my test scores obviously did not reflect the full extent of my abilities in any way, shape or form. My law school apparently knew that and took a chance on me. I'm grateful for that.

My kids, on the other hand, all had SAT and ACT scores that blew mine completely out of the water, and all of them ended up attending top colleges and universities. I love my kids and obviously think they're smart, but I don't think for a second that a bunch of near geniuses (exaggerating but you get the point) were the spawn of idiot genes. It typically doesn't happen that way.

No, what happened is this: my kids' test scores were the combined product of both their natural intelligence AND the privilege of being raised in a high income environment with educated parents who understood the system and had the wherewithal to make it work for them. It's just so painfully obvious.

This board suffers from the delusion that standardized test scores used for college admissions are more than just a blunt instrument. They're not. They're axes, not scalpel. The notion that high test scores should trump everything else -- or that low test scores should be disqualifying -- is ridiculous.

I have a very similar story. My LSAT was low, yet I graduated Summa Cum Laude. I had no idea how to prepare, my parents were not involved at all (and were not paying), and I had not gone to a school that had any sort of pre-law counseling or many students applying to law school. I was so underestimated going into law school, but proved everyone wrong. My kids had the advantage of prep and better schools.

Both of you are failing to point out the one thing you both have in common that allow you to move to the top. You are both WHITE. No one is taking a chance on a black guy from PG county.... You are probably the lowest of the whites but guess what, you still have the upper hand because you are white.

I would love to know what industry you are in, PP. Colleges and corporations are ALL taking a chance to push AAs as much as possible. Catch up!

Not tech. We actually don’t count AA with other minorities in public reporting because 52% of our company is comprised of Asians. It would make our diversity numbers look fabulous (they are not for URM). It’s really about URMs, not AA.