Picture of Mohammed

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

Forced birth Christian-identified people want to force everyone else to abide by their beliefs. It’s not like it’s a habit exclusive to Muslims.

But Christianity does not have rules about taxing people in other religions

The Church did much worse than tax heretics.

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Anonymous wrote:I am shock that we all can't agree that all Americans should be subject to Islamic blasphemy laws. This professor should be prosecuted for a hate crime.

As an artist it offends me, to prohibit me from painting any image or portrait is offensive to me deeply. Art is my religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like everyone tempted to show a picture of Mohammad knows they're being inflammatory. For them, this is a bug rather than a feature. I don't believe there is an ignorance crisis.

The crisis is one of jerkiness. Whether or not you agree it should be offensive, understand that it is. Only jerks deliberately offend in this way.

Is violent retaliation appropriate? I think not, but we all need to understand that the action can be understood as deeply offensive and just not do it in the first place.

Signed, traditional Jew who thinks a lot of ultra-secular and progressive faith Americans and Europeans have a bizarre blind spot when it comes to respecting the traditions of groups that have traditions.

I guess it’s offensive if viewed from a very Shia centric interpretation. Sunni’s normally have no issues with these sorts of depictions. Nor do Sufi or many other sects of Islam. I honestly think the principle was scared of possible violent retribution and offending the large number of Sudanese migrants (many of whom are Islamic) on the schools enrollment.

Also, there is this element of self censorship that now pervades many campuses coupled with a misguided desire not to somehow offend anyone. The potential for offense was noted in the syllabus for the course. There were “trigger warnings” given. This is a famous piece of Islamic art. There are so many reasons why this firing was idiotic and reflexive. That’s great you’re traditional. However, in the United States we have separation of church and state and freedom of speech. Or apparently we did until the last few years. This famous painting, barring some new evidence, was not specifically shown to cause hurt. It was a course on Islamic art showing famous Islamic art.

This is the dumbest post ever. You are reversing Sunnis and Shia. It’s supposedly the Shia that don’t have an issue with depictions and the Sunnis that do. I say supposedly because that is overly simplistic and not entirely accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like everyone tempted to show a picture of Mohammad knows they're being inflammatory. For them, this is a bug rather than a feature. I don't believe there is an ignorance crisis.

The crisis is one of jerkiness. Whether or not you agree it should be offensive, understand that it is. Only jerks deliberately offend in this way.

Is violent retaliation appropriate? I think not, but we all need to understand that the action can be understood as deeply offensive and just not do it in the first place.

Signed, traditional Jew who thinks a lot of ultra-secular and progressive faith Americans and Europeans have a bizarre blind spot when it comes to respecting the traditions of groups that have traditions.

It was an art history class! The professor repeatedly warned the students that there would be an image of Mohammed; why does the intersection of history, art, and religion need to be inflammatory?

People that are religious need to understand that the world should not revolve around their fairy tale beliefs and outdated traditions. It's a-OK to have these beliefs but it's stupid to expect others to adhere to them.

The truly offensive thing is to have a professor fired over this.

We're not Iran...yet.

Except in Iran you will see depictions of the prophet everywhere. What an ignorant comment.

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This entire discussion is hilarious and shows how ignorant most of you are. Every major Islamic organization in the US, as well as Islamic studies professors, were against the firing. The student getting offended has more to do with some university culture speech is considered violence and everything needs a trigger warning. The pictures may raise some eyebrows in the Middle East because not everyone is aware of the fact that Mohammad was depicted historically, but otherwise people would go about their day. This situation is completely different from the racist, offensive depictions in Charlie Hebdo.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently this is terribly offensive. Why is that? The oldest pictures are Muslim?

And how can we tell more Americans so they don't accidentally upset people?

So, I'm not going to show a picture just to try to upset people, but this isn't that case and I can't believe the university fired this professor.

So much for moderate Muslims.

Actual, I've read several Muslims condemning the university and supporting the teacher.

The president of the Muslim Student Association is the one who got the ball rolling on her dismissal

The Hamline University MSA doesn't speak for all Muslims.

Which ones doesn't it speak for? I haven't seen any Muslim complain

I am offended as a Muslim. In choosing to label this image of Muhammad as Islamophobic, in endorsing the view that figurative representations of the Prophet are prohibited in Islam, Hamline has privileged a most extreme and conservative Muslim point of view
Professor Amna Khalid, who supports the fired Hamline professor

Thank you for posting.

Truthfully, it's more of a sign of how self absorbed children are today than anything else.

Yes. I’m Muslim and agree with all of the above.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a dem but Trump was right about the Muslim ban

You don’t want the us to turn into France, israel or India

Except for there was no Muslim ban. Trump banned Muslims from countries he didn’t like and allowed them from countries he did like.