Picture of Mohammed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Unfortunately, this opinion is out of step with modern political thought. Offensive speech is still protected speech in the US. If you lower the bar to offensive speech, you open the door to political suppression. I mentioned it earlier, but it was deleted, but Christians have to tolerate the Piss Christ for the same reasons that Muslims need to tolerate images of Mohammed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Unfortunately, this opinion is out of step with modern political thought. Offensive speech is still protected speech in the US. If you lower the bar to offensive speech, you open the door to political suppression. I mentioned it earlier, but it was deleted, but Christians have to tolerate the Piss Christ for the same reasons that Muslims need to tolerate images of Mohammed.

Could not agree with the bolded more.

The reality is that some institutes of higher education have policies that essentially require action based on any complaint of discrimination or allegation of personal harm without regard for the circumstances or context.

[Anonymous]

Islam is going through what Christianity went through during the Renaissance. The old customs don't work, but no Protestant type Islam exists to replace them. (protestants believed Catholics worshipped idols)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Unfortunately, this opinion is out of step with modern political thought. Offensive speech is still protected speech in the US. If you lower the bar to offensive speech, you open the door to political suppression. I mentioned it earlier, but it was deleted, but Christians have to tolerate the Piss Christ for the same reasons that Muslims need to tolerate images of Mohammed.

Could not agree with the bolded more.

The reality is that some institutes of higher education have policies that essentially require action based on any complaint of discrimination or allegation of personal harm without regard for the circumstances or context.

It can be argued, and has been argued, that the First Amendment only protects offensive speech. It's unnecessary to protect inoffensive speech because no one would object to it.

https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/protecting-outrageous-offensive-speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Islam is going through what Christianity went through during the Renaissance. The old customs don't work, but no Protestant type Islam exists to replace them. (protestants believed Catholics worshipped idols)

Interesting point. What evidence is there that Islam is going through its own reformation? The Taliban is further restricting education and public life of women in Afghanistan/ Iran is brutally silencing many critics. But what kind of Islamic soul searching and reforms are you thinking of?

BTW, Did you mean the reformation? That was period of overhaul of dominant Christian religion as early Protestant reformers were incensed by corruption in the Catholic Church such as selling of spiritual favors/ indulgences for commercial purposes and worship of saints rather than the one true God.

The Renaissance referred to the period of renewed interest in classical Greek and Roman art, culture, and architecture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Islam is going through what Christianity went through during the Renaissance. The old customs don't work, but no Protestant type Islam exists to replace them. (protestants believed Catholics worshipped idols)

Interesting point. What evidence is there that Islam is going through its own reformation? The Taliban is further restricting education and public life of women in Afghanistan/ Iran is brutally silencing many critics. But what kind of Islamic soul searching and reforms are you thinking of?

BTW, Did you mean the reformation? That was period of overhaul of dominant Christian religion as early Protestant reformers were incensed by corruption in the Catholic Church such as selling of spiritual favors/ indulgences for commercial purposes and worship of saints rather than the one true God.

The Renaissance referred to the period of renewed interest in classical Greek and Roman art, culture, and architecture.

In Islam, the Quran is the word of God as dictated to Mohammed. So to back away from, say, family laws would be impossible unless you relax the assumption that it's the word of God. It's not like Judaism or Christianity, where some of it is purported eye witnesses and there are debates about transmission. Some Christians take the whole bible literally, but that's a small minority.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like everyone tempted to show a picture of Mohammad knows they're being inflammatory. For them, this is a bug rather than a feature. I don't believe there is an ignorance crisis.

The crisis is one of jerkiness. Whether or not you agree it should be offensive, understand that it is. Only jerks deliberately offend in this way.

Is violent retaliation appropriate? I think not, but we all need to understand that the action can be understood as deeply offensive and just not do it in the first place.

Signed, traditional Jew who thinks a lot of ultra-secular and progressive faith Americans and Europeans have a bizarre blind spot when it comes to respecting the traditions of groups that have traditions.

It was an art history class! The professor repeatedly warned the students that there would be an image of Mohammed; why does the intersection of history, art, and religion need to be inflammatory?

People that are religious need to understand that the world should not revolve around their fairy tale beliefs and outdated traditions. It's a-OK to have these beliefs but it's stupid to expect others to adhere to them.

The truly offensive thing is to have a professor fired over this.

We're not Iran...yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

This.

When someone makes fun of some Christian thing, should we first consult with every Christian in the world to make sure no one finds it verrrry verrryy offensive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

This.

When someone makes fun of some Christian thing, should we first consult with every Christian in the world to make sure no one finds it verrrry verrryy offensive?

BBC article cited on first page offers good overview on the controversy and its history

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

This.

When someone makes fun of some Christian thing, should we first consult with every Christian in the world to make sure no one finds it verrrry verrryy offensive?

If that were the case, DCUM would be cancelled

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Islam is going through what Christianity went through during the Renaissance. The old customs don't work, but no Protestant type Islam exists to replace them. (protestants believed Catholics worshipped idols)

Interesting point. What evidence is there that Islam is going through its own reformation? The Taliban is further restricting education and public life of women in Afghanistan/ Iran is brutally silencing many critics. But what kind of Islamic soul searching and reforms are you thinking of?

BTW, Did you mean the reformation? That was period of overhaul of dominant Christian religion as early Protestant reformers were incensed by corruption in the Catholic Church such as selling of spiritual favors/ indulgences for commercial purposes and worship of saints rather than the one true God.

The Renaissance referred to the period of renewed interest in classical Greek and Roman art, culture, and architecture.

They aren't famous, but there are schools of moderate Islamic thought. You mostly don't hear about them because they aren't particularly busy getting attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why OTHER people (people that are not muslim) aren't allowed to look at, print, draw, show, etc a picture that Muslims find offensive? Do muslims believe that everyone everywhere should abide by their beliefs? I'm not clear on this at all.

Yes, they do. Google jizya

[Anonymous]

Hamline has apologized to the professor, who filed a lawsuit, and they walked back the Islamaphobia comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamline has apologized to the professor, who filed a lawsuit, and they walked back the Islamaphobia comments.

That and $2 will buy her a cup of coffee.