Can we talk Covid? What we did right and wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

+1.

High IQ scientific minded people notice the total lack of common sense at the CDC and make personal decisions accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Huh. Those are completely different things. Once Covid was in the country, which it obviously was by the time we knew it was going to be a problem, it made no sense to worry about the comparatively small number of people coming into the country. The issue was opportunities for transmission, with large indoor gatherings of people tightly packed in being an obvious risk. Religious services are a perfect example of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

+a million. Many aren’t vaccinated for TB or Polio either.

Cdc sucks at science .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

This makes no sense. What about the 330 million unvaccinated people in 2020? Or the percentage of people in red states that didn't get vaccinated? You haven't explained by undocumented immigrants and illegal border crossings would have a substantial effect in the context of the entire population.

[Anonymous]

omg just stop we did nothing right because of MAGA IDIOTS AND TRUMP

over a million Americans died

In Florida way more than they are admitting to my sister is an emergency room dr.

Americans are literally dumbest of dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

This makes no sense. What about the 330 million unvaccinated people in 2020? Or the percentage of people in red states that didn't get vaccinated? You haven't explained by undocumented immigrants and illegal border crossings would have a substantial effect in the context of the entire population.

Either would going to work or church. Or not wearing filthy unwashed cloth masks or masks that aren’t changed every hour and not n-95 quality. Millions of undocumented , unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading into the country means that vaccinations don’t stop the spread and there is no reason to require vaccine for government jobs, military or entrance to concerts or arenas.

It’s all the stupidest, illogical nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/

Uh-huh. A 501(c)(3) founded to analyze covid policy failures says that, and you just believe it? Interesting.

Let's all work on our critical thinking skills, shall we?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Studies are showing that covid infections, even in mild cases, increase your risk of severe health issues in the following several months. My guess is that over the next several years we will see increased levels of death and disability in formerly healthy people due to decreased ability to fight off other health issues due to covid. Trying to avoid covid altogether was always the best route to go with this disease.

Like how influenza infections are associated with heart attacks?

Regardless, "avoiding" Covid altogether was never a sensible route, given that it has never been, and never will be, practical.

Younger people are dying off at increased rates and it’s not some immunity deficit. I’m sure we will find in the coming years that it’s due to Covid. It’s not some coincidence. Avoiding Covid was always the best route with this disease, and that will just become clearer with time.

Even if that were true, there’s never been a plausible path for avoiding Covid. Do you really not see that?

Masks work pretty well as the other poster noted. When your previously healthy 20 and 30 year old kids start dying off of sudden illnesses you will be like how did this happen? Maybe masks would have been okay after all. But no, avoiding Covid was never a sensible route because young kids needed to be mask free even though the disease wasn’t still fully understood. You guys are awful, and even now you are trying to write history in a way that lionizes you when imho you are the villains.

I suspect you're the poster that likes to post links to that press release pointing to a study that found an increase in heart attacks during the pandemic. Setting aside the significant limitations of the study, did you actually read the study to see what it would imply? Heart attack deaths in the 25-44 age group went up from about 5 per 100,0000 to 6 per 100,000. That 1/100,000 increase is pretty insignificant compared to the overall mortality rate of that age group. (about 160 per 100,000)

And that, of course, assumes the increase was from covid itself, rather than things tied to the response (e.g., increased drug use).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh

https://brownstone.org/articles/not-even-n95-masks-work-to-stop-covid/

Uh-huh. A 501(c)(3) founded to analyze covid policy failures says that, and you just believe it? Interesting.

Let's all work on our critical thinking skills, shall we?

Fauci couldn’t name one study that proved masks effective against Covid

[Anonymous]

As a nurse who worked the front line here are the biggest 3 mistakes that I saw that I think can easily be fixed next time.

1. Making people so scared and having medical offices close down so that people didn't go to the doctor with health concerns. The uptick in cancer and other preventable diseases went up because didn't or couldn't get checked out. Ive had quite a few patients say their symptoms started in lockdown but they didn't go to the doctor because of either the fear of Covid or appts were impossible to get.

2. The "2 more weeks" narrative. Putting an end date on something is never good. Because when that end date gets extended, people lose trust the next time you give one

3. In similar vain to the 2 more weeks. The masking issue. It was so back and forth and I think could have been handled much better.

2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

This makes no sense. What about the 330 million unvaccinated people in 2020? Or the percentage of people in red states that didn't get vaccinated? You haven't explained by undocumented immigrants and illegal border crossings would have a substantial effect in the context of the entire population.

Either would going to work or church. Or not wearing filthy unwashed cloth masks or masks that aren’t changed every hour and not n-95 quality. Millions of undocumented , unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading into the country means that vaccinations don’t stop the spread and there is no reason to require vaccine for government jobs, military or entrance to concerts or arenas.

It’s all the stupidest, illogical nonsense.

If your complaint is that things like the vaccine mandates weren’t going to significantly reduce transmission, sure, I agree with you. At least, they weren’t going to do so in any sort of lasting way. But you seemed to be claiming that not “closing the border” contributed to a significant increase in transmissions. I can’t think of any justification for that.

I'm not necessarily convinced that churches would have significantly contributed to overall infection numbers, particularly since I doubt many people would have gone to them in the areas where they did halt services, but they would have significantly increased the risk for the people attending those services. It's just that their numbers would have been drowned out by the case numbers from everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It didn’t help that the cdc had no opinion of the border being swarmed by unvaccinated people that spread out into the country. Then said “ religious services, can be efficient vectors for virus transmission”.

Makes science look political and nonsense.

Of Covid was actually dangerous the CDC would have recommended closing the border. It was a huge indication that Covid was not that big a deal and the main reason I didn’t get the clot shot. If Covid was really a threat the CDC would recommend against infected / unvaccinated hordes entering the country.

That’s just as ridiculous as the people claiming we would have gotten rid of Covid if people just stayed home for 2/4/6 weeks at the beginning. If we closed the borders do you really think we would have kept Covid out? Or do you think Covid was already spreading in the US by the time we knew we needed to worry about it?

Even if it wasn’t spreading by March, do you really think we could have instituted and enforced border controls on US citizens that would have been sufficiently draconian to keep infected individuals from returning to the country and spreading it? Somehow I doubt you would have been ok with mandatory two-week, supervised quarantines on US citizens. And it always would have only been a matter of time before it slipped through.

Uh huh…

Millions of unvaccinated undocumented people spreading around the country is no big deal in a “deadly pandemic”. Covid was so benign that common sense could afford to be jettisoned. It was never worse than a bad flu.

This makes no sense. What about the 330 million unvaccinated people in 2020? Or the percentage of people in red states that didn't get vaccinated? You haven't explained by undocumented immigrants and illegal border crossings would have a substantial effect in the context of the entire population.

Either would going to work or church. Or not wearing filthy unwashed cloth masks or masks that aren’t changed every hour and not n-95 quality. Millions of undocumented , unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading into the country means that vaccinations don’t stop the spread and there is no reason to require vaccine for government jobs, military or entrance to concerts or arenas.

It’s all the stupidest, illogical nonsense.

If your complaint is that things like the vaccine mandates weren’t going to significantly reduce transmission, sure, I agree with you. At least, they weren’t going to do so in any sort of lasting way. But you seemed to be claiming that not “closing the border” contributed to a significant increase in transmissions. I can’t think of any justification for that.

I'm not necessarily convinced that churches would have significantly contributed to overall infection numbers, particularly since I doubt many people would have gone to them in the areas where they did halt services, but they would have significantly increased the risk for the people attending those services. It's just that their numbers would have been drowned out by the case numbers from everyone else.

Actual “Deadly” pandemics don’t allow millions of unvaccinated undocumented people to flood the country. “Undeadly” flu level viruses are ok with it.

Common sense 101.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:omfg. we did what we could with the info we had. people who want to relitigate Covid forever drive me insane. it happened, we got through it, move on with your damn lives already

How dare we discuss the Holocaust. The War between the states.

I mean it is all over. Why on earth would anyone discuss it in 2022?

Roll eyes.

There are genuinely people who survived the Holocaust who act less victimized than people whose kids had to do distance learning for like 6 months so c’mon

Try 18 months. Try some people are still doing distance learning mandated by their schools l district.

Still? No. Absolutely not. Anyone doing distance online learning in 2022 is doing it by CHOICE. Same for 2021.