Upper Beach Drive to Remain Closed to Cars Year Round

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

Quick question, who asked them to close it in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

They weren't pressured, they were pressured. Lol. It was the exact same people pushing this as pushing "proposal c".

Bizarre justification that the pandemic was over. Lol. It was supposed to be a temporary thing while people were stuck at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

They weren't pressured, they were pressured. Lol. It was the exact same people pushing this as pushing "proposal c".

Bizarre justification that the pandemic was over. Lol. It was supposed to be a temporary thing while people were stuck at home.

I guess they changed their minds. Oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If rock creek closed for bikes then should reinstate Connecticut Ave w four lanes down in morning and then in afternoon. Otherwise people will use neighborhood streets making it less safe for families. You can’t cut off everything for bikers (tiny number of them) and make it worse for the overwhelming number of people who need to go downtown. It is just ridiculous

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If rock creek closed for bikes then should reinstate Connecticut Ave w four lanes down in morning and then in afternoon. Otherwise people will use neighborhood streets making it less safe for families. You can’t cut off everything for bikers (tiny number of them) and make it worse for the overwhelming number of people who need to go downtown. It is just ridiculous

By most estimates, 40-59% fewer people are commuting to offices downtown. Your family is fine. Connecticut Avenue isn’t cut off. Stop with the Ward 3 white people NIMBY pearl clutching drama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If rock creek closed for bikes then should reinstate Connecticut Ave w four lanes down in morning and then in afternoon. Otherwise people will use neighborhood streets making it less safe for families. You can’t cut off everything for bikers (tiny number of them) and make it worse for the overwhelming number of people who need to go downtown. It is just ridiculous

By most estimates, 40-59% fewer people are commuting to offices downtown. Your family is fine. Connecticut Avenue isn’t cut off. Stop with the Ward 3 white people NIMBY pearl clutching drama.

This is inaccurate. Office occupancy is approx. 90 or 55% of pre-pandemic levels, depending on how it is measured. Google mobility data indicates office presence 90% pre-pandemic baseline in DC proper, while Kastle Systems swipe data for the whole DMV is 55% pre-pandemic utilization as weekly average, however Tuesday - Thursday have higher utilization while Monday and Friday have substantially lower.

Vehicle traffic is now 101% of pre-pandemic levels. Transit is between 40% pre-pandemic to 65% pre-pandemic, depending on how it’s measured. Poor transit utilization can be directly linked to poor quality of service.

The data is clear that decreasing road capacity is not going to get more people out of their cars and will eventually create a drag on the city’s economy. Creating a moat between DC and Montgomery County might be a good way to prevent families from leaving DC and discourage development/investment in Montgomery County. However, when you squeeze one side of a balloon it just grows out the other side and this will likely result in Virginia reaping more of the rewards while upper NW neighborhoods will probably end up also suffering as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If rock creek closed for bikes then should reinstate Connecticut Ave w four lanes down in morning and then in afternoon. Otherwise people will use neighborhood streets making it less safe for families. You can’t cut off everything for bikers (tiny number of them) and make it worse for the overwhelming number of people who need to go downtown. It is just ridiculous

By most estimates, 40-59% fewer people are commuting to offices downtown. Your family is fine. Connecticut Avenue isn’t cut off. Stop with the Ward 3 white people NIMBY pearl clutching drama.

I’d sure like to have a string of pearls long enough to stretch across Porter St and 34th St to address the diversion of all the vehicles resulting from the narrowing of Connecticut Avenue! But then the WABA and their Smart Growth pals would shriek that DC’s streets should be a grid, that traffic should flow naturally across the grid, that NIMBYs want to exclude people, etc. It’s like when the same crowd opposes off-street parking requirements for new developments. They repeatedly claim no parking is needed because everyone will take Metro, use bikes or hop on those scooters. But then propose that new buildings without any parking not be eligible for RPP so as not to burden crowded streets and they loudly complain that’s so unfair, discriminatory, etc.

They’re all hot air and hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

Courtland Milloy coined the most apt description of the whiny, entitled, ageist twits who Tweet and agitate for bike lanes and “vibrancy” above all else:

“Myopic little twits.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

They weren't pressured, they were pressured. Lol. It was the exact same people pushing this as pushing "proposal c".

Bizarre justification that the pandemic was over. Lol. It was supposed to be a temporary thing while people were stuck at home.

And then the realized that cars were bad for the park. Not hard to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

They weren't pressured, they were pressured. Lol. It was the exact same people pushing this as pushing "proposal c".

Bizarre justification that the pandemic was over. Lol. It was supposed to be a temporary thing while people were stuck at home.

And then the realized that cars were bad for the park. Not hard to understand.

Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the data on how many people used upper beach drive while driving vs those who only use it to bike and walk? It seems the needs of the few are over the needs of the many.

Om a side note where can I park so I can walk my dog there? I live too far away to walk. ( without getting a ticket) so like 2 hour parking

TY!

It is a park, not a highway. The mission of the national PARK service is to maintain parks, not provide a commuter route for drivers of cars.

How come we had been driving there for at least as long as I have been in DC? 33 years? Why all of a sudden they can't maintain what they have been maintaining?

NPS doesn't want to change it. They were pressured by cyclists and Cheh. This was not their idea.

They weren't pressured. It was environmental activists from many corners who were incredulous at the bizarre justification for re-opening. It is a Federal agency, something a local Councilmember has ZERO jurisdiction over.

They weren't pressured, they were pressured. Lol. It was the exact same people pushing this as pushing "proposal c".

Bizarre justification that the pandemic was over. Lol. It was supposed to be a temporary thing while people were stuck at home.

And then the realized that cars were bad for the park. Not hard to understand.

Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?

pollution, hit dear...you seriously need to ask this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Courtland Milloy coined the most apt description of the whiny, entitled, ageist twits who Tweet and agitate for bike lanes and “vibrancy” above all else:

“Myopic little twits.”

Imagine idolizing a douchebag like Courtland Milloy.

[Anonymous]

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Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?

When it closed Beach Drive permanently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?

When it closed Beach Drive permanently.

Did they? Have a link or evidence?

I’d hate to believe that you’re just making this up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Can you point me to where NPS said “cars were bad for the park”?

When it closed Beach Drive permanently.

Did they? Have a link or evidence?

I’d hate to believe that you’re just making this up.

So you think cars spewing carbon based exhaust into the park is ok?