Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My confederate ancestors were slave owners and, judging by my family members, no one was really sorry about it until the 1970s, a few of us who are in our 50s now.

I think all the statues and names should come down. They glorify a not glorious past, and help to recruit new generations into at least whitewashing,if not hate.

That is also what Robert E. Lee V and Robert W. Lee IV believe. Take them down.

It’s what Robert E. Lee OG believed!

“But Lee himself never wanted such monuments built.

"I think it wiser," the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, "…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments

Didn’t stop the KKK/white supremacists/Daughters of confederate POSs from putting them up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My confederate ancestors were slave owners and, judging by my family members, no one was really sorry about it until the 1970s, a few of us who are in our 50s now.

I think all the statues and names should come down. They glorify a not glorious past, and help to recruit new generations into at least whitewashing,if not hate.

That is also what Robert E. Lee V and Robert W. Lee IV believe. Take them down.

It’s what Robert E. Lee OG believed!

“But Lee himself never wanted such monuments built.

"I think it wiser," the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, "…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments

Didn’t stop the KKK/white supremacists/Daughters of confederate POSs from putting them up.

Shhh! Don't tell anyone that white supremacists put up all those statues. They're only meant to symbolize "heritage" and "history".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they lost and we won. America has learned a lesson in the last few years about letting racist, fascist losers regroup and we're done doing it.

If the Germans could come to terms with having been actual Nazis, we should be able to come to terms with fact country is blighted by history of slave-owning racists. Tear that stuff down - most of it went up in era 1910-1970 anyway for reasons that are obvious.

Germans don't whine about keeping statues of Nazis around.

[Anonymous]

Weird that people want to talk about "deep history" where it comes to the Confederacy. The Confederacy only existed from Feb 1861 to May 1865, a little over 4 years.

That's a brief period of time. Think about it - Hell, the Simpsons TV show has been a part of US history for longer than the Confederacy was.

[Anonymous]

Instead of removing shameful statues, put large signs explaining their shameful behavior and its consequences.

[Anonymous]

We need to learn from the history, hiding it wont help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to learn from the history, hiding it wont help.

Agreed. We need to tear down the racist propaganda statues and in their place erect proper memorials to educate the public about the atrocities of slavery and racial hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to learn from the history, hiding it wont help.

We’re not hiding it, we just saying it shouldn’t be celebrated. Put it in a museum, not on a signpost.

[Anonymous]

Germany doesn't have statues of Nazis, they don't have streets, schools or military bases named after Nazis, yet they still learn about the horrible history of the Nazis.

That kind of history belongs in textbooks, as opposed to being rewarded and celebrated by raising statues et cetera.

[Anonymous]

It's jaw dropping that these idiotic neo-Confederates today seem to think they know better than Robert E. Lee himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they lost and we won. America has learned a lesson in the last few years about letting racist, fascist losers regroup and we're done doing it.

If the Germans could come to terms with having been actual Nazis, we should be able to come to terms with fact country is blighted by history of slave-owning racists. Tear that stuff down - most of it went up in era 1910-1970 anyway for reasons that are obvious.

Germans don't whine about keeping statues of Nazis around.

Can't tell if this is an idiot or a genius response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they lost and we won. America has learned a lesson in the last few years about letting racist, fascist losers regroup and we're done doing it.

If the Germans could come to terms with having been actual Nazis, we should be able to come to terms with fact country is blighted by history of slave-owning racists. Tear that stuff down - most of it went up in era 1910-1970 anyway for reasons that are obvious.

Germans don't whine about keeping statues of Nazis around.

Can't tell if this is an idiot or a genius response.

What's "idiot" about it? Germans don't have statues celebrating Nazis like we do here with our statues celebrating Confederate butchers. But you also don't hear a big outcry from Germans whining about "why did they take down the statues of Nazis, why did the rename buildings named after Nazis" the way we do here with the whining neo-Confederates when they complain about their mass-produced Jim Crow era confederate statues being taken down. It's not "genius" either, it's what should just be mastery of the obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Then why aren't you? "I moved to Virginia so I could retain some of what I left behind."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.

They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.

I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.

Don't "both sides" it. They chose to secede from, and then fought, the rest of the country (the union) over their wish to keep slaves. The desire for unity rather than calling it what is was is an open siore in the body of this country that has never healed and won't until it has fresh air and sunlight.

The first PP is one who was revising history. It is definitely both sides doing it.

When I went to school, we were taught that the US was an amazing country because we had a civil war and recovered from it instead of being irreconcilably split, as happens in other countries. I thought that was a positive part of our history, that we successfully reunified. But in the past few years, I'm not sure that's true anymore.

Because "we" didn't recover from it. Some people did, many others did not. That is why there is such unrest now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of removing shameful statues, put large signs explaining their shameful behavior and its consequences.

I agree this is another way to handle it.