Received an email that DS teacher quit Friday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

Please point out where OP’s kid’s teacher, the topic of the conversation, was a “bad teacher” (no, quitting their job does not count). Thanks! We’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

But you have no idea what kind of “unprofessionalism” and “rudeness” she was asked to tolerate on a daily basis. At some point, people crack. It is better that they save themselves and the kids from an ugly a nervous breakdown in the classroom

Oh, you're right. She's a hero for quitting at the beginning of May.

Hero? Are you a sarcastic 12-year-old?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

I'm not a teacher, but know the data-- there are an estimated currently .59 possible teachers (not just licensed, this includes provisional and alternately licensed etc.) available for every position (private, public, charter) in the US and the numbers are going down fast. This is SO much lower than it's ever been. As existing teachers have to cover 1.5x as much it's only going to accelerate. Add in the heightened vitriol. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be us parents who are going to have to "suck it up buttercup" as these teachers realize they don't have to put up with unreasonable job conditions. Excellent, highly experienced teachers are quitting ALL OVER and nobody wants to step in.

I don’t think anyone should stay year after year in a miserable job nor do I think parents need to act like each and every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint.

No one has to act like every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint. (That's part of the problem actually---teachers are put on a pedestal while often being denied basic professional treatment--and then the accountability that comes with that). We're just saying she can quit like anyone else can. She doesn't have to be professional in the ways you think she should if she doesn't want to be. You're free to criticize that, but saying that she's free to quit doesn't mean you're disrespecting teachers, just acknowledging they have the same agency as everyone else even though your kids are depending on them and it's really disappointing. And pointing out that she's in the power position here--there is a nationwide shortage that is a huge crisis. You don't actually employ her. People can elect a different school board, whine about taxes, complain about unions or the lack of unions, but the reality is that many skilled and unskilled, professional and unprofessional teachers are walking out across the whole country--whether schools stayed open or closed during the pandemic, whether they are in red or blue counties and states, rich and poor districts-- and we're all going to have to face this and figure out what to do.

You think you're right. And I think you're wrong. Some professions are different, including teaching. That's known by both teachers and non-teachers. The expectation of a teacher staying on until the end of the year is understood by all parties.

Maybe the pandemic has changed that. But I don't think that change will benefit teachers or anyone else.

The problem is in insisting that they aren't any different from anyone else but also expecting them to be different.

Teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job. If you don’t want to be held to that high standard fair enough!

LOL. The vast majority of teenagers in 2022 do no such thing. Put a sock in it, Grandma.

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Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

I'm not a teacher, but know the data-- there are an estimated currently .59 possible teachers (not just licensed, this includes provisional and alternately licensed etc.) available for every position (private, public, charter) in the US and the numbers are going down fast. This is SO much lower than it's ever been. As existing teachers have to cover 1.5x as much it's only going to accelerate. Add in the heightened vitriol. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be us parents who are going to have to "suck it up buttercup" as these teachers realize they don't have to put up with unreasonable job conditions. Excellent, highly experienced teachers are quitting ALL OVER and nobody wants to step in.

I don’t think anyone should stay year after year in a miserable job nor do I think parents need to act like each and every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint.

No one has to act like every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint. (That's part of the problem actually---teachers are put on a pedestal while often being denied basic professional treatment--and then the accountability that comes with that). We're just saying she can quit like anyone else can. She doesn't have to be professional in the ways you think she should if she doesn't want to be. You're free to criticize that, but saying that she's free to quit doesn't mean you're disrespecting teachers, just acknowledging they have the same agency as everyone else even though your kids are depending on them and it's really disappointing. And pointing out that she's in the power position here--there is a nationwide shortage that is a huge crisis. You don't actually employ her. People can elect a different school board, whine about taxes, complain about unions or the lack of unions, but the reality is that many skilled and unskilled, professional and unprofessional teachers are walking out across the whole country--whether schools stayed open or closed during the pandemic, whether they are in red or blue counties and states, rich and poor districts-- and we're all going to have to face this and figure out what to do.

You think you're right. And I think you're wrong. Some professions are different, including teaching. That's known by both teachers and non-teachers. The expectation of a teacher staying on until the end of the year is understood by all parties.

Maybe the pandemic has changed that. But I don't think that change will benefit teachers or anyone else.

The problem is in insisting that they aren't any different from anyone else but also expecting them to be different.

Teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job. If you don’t want to be held to that high standard fair enough!

Wait, just to be sure -- you are claiming most teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job?

Yes I am!

You’re delusional. But keep it up with the exclamation marks. Hysterical is such a good look for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any adult who doesn't understand that she owes 10-year-olds the courtesy of an "I'm sorry I won't see you Monday" before just vanishing into thin air, shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

Nobody. Owes. Your. Kid. Anything. Except. You.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

But you have no idea what kind of “unprofessionalism” and “rudeness” she was asked to tolerate on a daily basis. At some point, people crack. It is better that they save themselves and the kids from an ugly a nervous breakdown in the classroom

Oh, you're right. She's a hero for quitting at the beginning of May.

Hero? Are you a sarcastic 12-year-old?

Teachers apparently aspire to be as professional as 12 year olds. So maybe you're giving me a compliment.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

But you have no idea what kind of “unprofessionalism” and “rudeness” she was asked to tolerate on a daily basis. At some point, people crack. It is better that they save themselves and the kids from an ugly a nervous breakdown in the classroom

Oh, you're right. She's a hero for quitting at the beginning of May.

Hero? Are you a sarcastic 12-year-old?

Teachers apparently aspire to be as professional as 12 year olds. So maybe you're giving me a compliment.

Your asinine, childish attempt at comebacks legitimately make you sound like you’re in middle school. Go touch grass.

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Anonymous wrote:Really? 34 days left and she quits.

The email says they are looking for a permanent sub but they have been difficult to find.

So basically for the next month+ he'll just have a revolving door of subs it sounds like.

My favorite part of the email was actually for us to prepare the kids that their classroom will look different on Monday morning. I'm assuming because she took a bunch of decorations and furniture with her that she'd purchased.

He's so bummed and I'm bummed for him.

Yes, really. I’m a teacher with a decade of experience and would like to quit as well. This year has been awful.

Yeah, me too.

I am a consultant. I work for one company but the work I do benefits my clients. I am getting ready to quit my job, but I am giving my employer two weeks notice and my clients the courtesy of finishing out the projects I am currently working on (or in one case, transitioning it to another consultant) before I leave. I don't blame teachers for quitting, it's been a really awful two years, but it would be nice if the ones quitting a month before school ends could give their employer/clients the same courtesy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really? 34 days left and she quits.

The email says they are looking for a permanent sub but they have been difficult to find.

So basically for the next month+ he'll just have a revolving door of subs it sounds like.

My favorite part of the email was actually for us to prepare the kids that their classroom will look different on Monday morning. I'm assuming because she took a bunch of decorations and furniture with her that she'd purchased.

He's so bummed and I'm bummed for him.

Yes, really. I’m a teacher with a decade of experience and would like to quit as well. This year has been awful.

Yeah, me too.

I am a consultant. I work for one company but the work I do benefits my clients. I am getting ready to quit my job, but I am giving my employer two weeks notice and my clients the courtesy of finishing out the projects I am currently working on (or in one case, transitioning it to another consultant) before I leave. I don't blame teachers for quitting, it's been a really awful two years, but it would be nice if the ones quitting a month before school ends could give their employer/clients the same courtesy.

Professionalism? How quaint?

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Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

I'm not a teacher, but know the data-- there are an estimated currently .59 possible teachers (not just licensed, this includes provisional and alternately licensed etc.) available for every position (private, public, charter) in the US and the numbers are going down fast. This is SO much lower than it's ever been. As existing teachers have to cover 1.5x as much it's only going to accelerate. Add in the heightened vitriol. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be us parents who are going to have to "suck it up buttercup" as these teachers realize they don't have to put up with unreasonable job conditions. Excellent, highly experienced teachers are quitting ALL OVER and nobody wants to step in.

I don’t think anyone should stay year after year in a miserable job nor do I think parents need to act like each and every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint.

No one has to act like every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint. (That's part of the problem actually---teachers are put on a pedestal while often being denied basic professional treatment--and then the accountability that comes with that). We're just saying she can quit like anyone else can. She doesn't have to be professional in the ways you think she should if she doesn't want to be. You're free to criticize that, but saying that she's free to quit doesn't mean you're disrespecting teachers, just acknowledging they have the same agency as everyone else even though your kids are depending on them and it's really disappointing. And pointing out that she's in the power position here--there is a nationwide shortage that is a huge crisis. You don't actually employ her. People can elect a different school board, whine about taxes, complain about unions or the lack of unions, but the reality is that many skilled and unskilled, professional and unprofessional teachers are walking out across the whole country--whether schools stayed open or closed during the pandemic, whether they are in red or blue counties and states, rich and poor districts-- and we're all going to have to face this and figure out what to do.

You think you're right. And I think you're wrong. Some professions are different, including teaching. That's known by both teachers and non-teachers. The expectation of a teacher staying on until the end of the year is understood by all parties.

Maybe the pandemic has changed that. But I don't think that change will benefit teachers or anyone else.

The problem is in insisting that they aren't any different from anyone else but also expecting them to be different.

Teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job. If you don’t want to be held to that high standard fair enough!

LOL. The vast majority of teenagers in 2022 do no such thing. Put a sock in it, Grandma.

You must know really sh1tty teens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really? 34 days left and she quits.

The email says they are looking for a permanent sub but they have been difficult to find.

So basically for the next month+ he'll just have a revolving door of subs it sounds like.

My favorite part of the email was actually for us to prepare the kids that their classroom will look different on Monday morning. I'm assuming because she took a bunch of decorations and furniture with her that she'd purchased.

He's so bummed and I'm bummed for him.

Yes, really. I’m a teacher with a decade of experience and would like to quit as well. This year has been awful.

Yeah, me too.

I am a consultant. I work for one company but the work I do benefits my clients. I am getting ready to quit my job, but I am giving my employer two weeks notice and my clients the courtesy of finishing out the projects I am currently working on (or in one case, transitioning it to another consultant) before I leave. I don't blame teachers for quitting, it's been a really awful two years, but it would be nice if the ones quitting a month before school ends could give their employer/clients the same courtesy.

There are so many assumptions in this post it’s crazy. Maybe they were fired, maybe there are gravely ill…no one on here knows!

[Anonymous]

I love that someone is dying on the hill of professional fast-food working teenagers being the norm in this country in 2022.

I think there is a 1950s show calling her name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love that someone is dying on the hill of professional fast-food working teenagers being the norm in this country in 2022.

I think there is a 1950s show calling her name.

I love how multiple (or one?) posters are pretending like they don't know what professionalism is and that expectations hurt teachers rather than help.

Because the respect that teachers were held in in the 1950s was terrible and it's good that has eroded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love that someone is dying on the hill of professional fast-food working teenagers being the norm in this country in 2022.

I think there is a 1950s show calling her name.

Teenagers will get away with whatever they can. I know quite a few that had s*x in a walk-in freezer as a teen … but I do think they have their 2 weeks notice. 😊

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love that someone is dying on the hill of professional fast-food working teenagers being the norm in this country in 2022.

I think there is a 1950s show calling her name.

Teenagers will get away with whatever they can. I know quite a few that had s*x in a walk-in freezer as a teen … but I do think they have their 2 weeks notice. 😊

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