Received an email that DS teacher quit Friday.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

Nope, this is the problem with teaching. We are expected to “stay for the kids.” Not because the salary is good. Not because otherwise we would miss out on a good job offer. Not because we are treated with respect.

We are only expected to stay “for the kids.”

Because in our misogynistic society, the emotional appeal to be slandered as a horrible person who doesn’t care about children would be horrible. So “stay for the kids.’
Even if you are missing out on a much better offer.
Even if you have cancer.
Even if……….

“Stay for the kids.”

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.

Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.

DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.

Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.

How is unprofessional? They left a job - anyone can do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Any adult who doesn't understand that she owes 10-year-olds the courtesy of an "I'm sorry I won't see you Monday" before just vanishing into thin air, shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

Lol. This message is so out of touch on so many levels.

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Anonymous wrote:Really? 34 days left and she quits.

The email says they are looking for a permanent sub but they have been difficult to find.

So basically for the next month+ he'll just have a revolving door of subs it sounds like.

My favorite part of the email was actually for us to prepare the kids that their classroom will look different on Monday morning. I'm assuming because she took a bunch of decorations and furniture with her that she'd purchased.

He's so bummed and I'm bummed for him.

Yes, really. I’m a teacher with a decade of experience and would like to quit as well. This year has been awful.

Yeah, me too.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.

Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.

DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.

Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.

How is unprofessional? They left a job - anyone can do that.

I’d like to know this, too. What is unprofessional about leaving a job? I’m a high school teacher. Conditions are terrible and I think about leaving 5-6 times a week. How is it unprofessional to leave a job? Would we say the same to anybody in another profession?

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Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

I'm not a teacher, but know the data-- there are an estimated currently .59 possible teachers (not just licensed, this includes provisional and alternately licensed etc.) available for every position (private, public, charter) in the US and the numbers are going down fast. This is SO much lower than it's ever been. As existing teachers have to cover 1.5x as much it's only going to accelerate. Add in the heightened vitriol. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be us parents who are going to have to "suck it up buttercup" as these teachers realize they don't have to put up with unreasonable job conditions. Excellent, highly experienced teachers are quitting ALL OVER and nobody wants to step in.

I don’t think anyone should stay year after year in a miserable job nor do I think parents need to act like each and every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint.

No one has to act like every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint. (That's part of the problem actually---teachers are put on a pedestal while often being denied basic professional treatment--and then the accountability that comes with that). We're just saying she can quit like anyone else can. She doesn't have to be professional in the ways you think she should if she doesn't want to be. You're free to criticize that, but saying that she's free to quit doesn't mean you're disrespecting teachers, just acknowledging they have the same agency as everyone else even though your kids are depending on them and it's really disappointing. And pointing out that she's in the power position here--there is a nationwide shortage that is a huge crisis. You don't actually employ her. People can elect a different school board, whine about taxes, complain about unions or the lack of unions, but the reality is that many skilled and unskilled, professional and unprofessional teachers are walking out across the whole country--whether schools stayed open or closed during the pandemic, whether they are in red or blue counties and states, rich and poor districts-- and we're all going to have to face this and figure out what to do.

You think you're right. And I think you're wrong. Some professions are different, including teaching. That's known by both teachers and non-teachers. The expectation of a teacher staying on until the end of the year is understood by all parties.

Maybe the pandemic has changed that. But I don't think that change will benefit teachers or anyone else.

The problem is in insisting that they aren't any different from anyone else but also expecting them to be different.

Teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job. If you don’t want to be held to that high standard fair enough!

How did you know she didn’t give notice? Admin will always tell parents at the last minute to avoid parent emails for 2 weeks (and students asking questions), now they’ll just be emailing for a day.

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Anonymous wrote:A recent survey showed that more than half the people who quit jobs in the prior year gave less than 1 week's notice.

https://wtop.com/business-finance/2022/03/planning-to-quit-how-much-notice-will-you-give/

Businesses don't hold to the same assumptions that used to hold true, either.

If you want teachers to consider their job as special, don't keep telling them that it isn't. That's just common sense.

+1, I’ve worked jobs where people give 2 weeks notice and we’re asked to leave that day. Why lose 2 weeks pay when that occurs. Give a week and get a break between the end and start dates.

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Anonymous wrote:Look-teaching is hard and there are good teachers and bad teachers, professional and skilled and unprofessional and unskilled. Like any profession! There’s a weird dynamic reminiscent of the gross police unions where any criticism of any teacher is taken as a shocking moral outrage. Suck it up buttercups-if you’re not a bad teacher no one’s talking abt you.

I'm not a teacher, but know the data-- there are an estimated currently .59 possible teachers (not just licensed, this includes provisional and alternately licensed etc.) available for every position (private, public, charter) in the US and the numbers are going down fast. This is SO much lower than it's ever been. As existing teachers have to cover 1.5x as much it's only going to accelerate. Add in the heightened vitriol. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be us parents who are going to have to "suck it up buttercup" as these teachers realize they don't have to put up with unreasonable job conditions. Excellent, highly experienced teachers are quitting ALL OVER and nobody wants to step in.

I don’t think anyone should stay year after year in a miserable job nor do I think parents need to act like each and every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint.

No one has to act like every teacher is a hard-working, highly skilled saint. (That's part of the problem actually---teachers are put on a pedestal while often being denied basic professional treatment--and then the accountability that comes with that). We're just saying she can quit like anyone else can. She doesn't have to be professional in the ways you think she should if she doesn't want to be. You're free to criticize that, but saying that she's free to quit doesn't mean you're disrespecting teachers, just acknowledging they have the same agency as everyone else even though your kids are depending on them and it's really disappointing. And pointing out that she's in the power position here--there is a nationwide shortage that is a huge crisis. You don't actually employ her. People can elect a different school board, whine about taxes, complain about unions or the lack of unions, but the reality is that many skilled and unskilled, professional and unprofessional teachers are walking out across the whole country--whether schools stayed open or closed during the pandemic, whether they are in red or blue counties and states, rich and poor districts-- and we're all going to have to face this and figure out what to do.

You think you're right. And I think you're wrong. Some professions are different, including teaching. That's known by both teachers and non-teachers. The expectation of a teacher staying on until the end of the year is understood by all parties.

Maybe the pandemic has changed that. But I don't think that change will benefit teachers or anyone else.

The problem is in insisting that they aren't any different from anyone else but also expecting them to be different.

Teenagers give notice before quitting a fast food job. If you don’t want to be held to that high standard fair enough!

How did you know she didn’t give notice? Admin will always tell parents at the last minute to avoid parent emails for 2 weeks (and students asking questions), now they’ll just be emailing for a day.

Yup. I’d bet good money admin was hoping they could hire a sub in the time between when the teacher gave notice and when they actually left, and then the message would have just been, “Mrs. J is taking over for Ms. R for the rest of the year, here’s why that’s a good thing.”

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Anonymous wrote:When my DS killed himself, I quit. I flat out quit teaching and admin told the families that I quit. I didn't care about my students at that point. Life happens to people. I knew I wouldn't be coming back anytime soon so it made more sense to quit so there wasn't the uncertainty of wondering when/if I was coming back.

This is horrible and I'm so sorry for your loss. I don't blame you a bit for quitting in this circumstance.

However, I somehow doubt that OP's child's situation is anything this serious. OP notes that the teacher took the time to collect personal items, including furniture, that she had purchased. I'll go out on a limb and bet that in your situation, PP, that is the last thing you would have been thinking about.

But she may have if she had to care for an ailing parent. The point is that we don’t know, and not assume ill intent.

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Anonymous wrote:When my DS killed himself, I quit. I flat out quit teaching and admin told the families that I quit. I didn't care about my students at that point. Life happens to people. I knew I wouldn't be coming back anytime soon so it made more sense to quit so there wasn't the uncertainty of wondering when/if I was coming back.

This is horrible and I'm so sorry for your loss. I don't blame you a bit for quitting in this circumstance.

However, I somehow doubt that OP's child's situation is anything this serious. OP notes that the teacher took the time to collect personal items, including furniture, that she had purchased. I'll go out on a limb and bet that in your situation, PP, that is the last thing you would have been thinking about.

But she may have if she had to care for an ailing parent. The point is that we don’t know, and not assume ill intent.

Or, you know, just crap all over yet another teacher. I'm not sure why, but it seems de rigueur these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching is a job. Teachers are people. VA is a right-to-work state. Anyone can leave their job at anytime. Teachers don’t “owe” anything to the students.

If you think that posts like these are respectful towards teachers, you've got it backwards.

Nope, PP is correct. DP

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Anonymous wrote:Good for her. Teachers should not be indentured servants and schools need much better systems for serving students that don't hinge on a single human being self-sacrificing.

In business we call it operational continuity. If one person walking out causes major problems, that's a leadership problem, not a staff problem. Becaus anyone can get hit by a bus tomorrow...

I assure you Larlo will be okay.

Right? Teachers are all replaceable and interchangeable.

Can you even hear yourself? SMH

You have very poor reading comprehension. You needed better teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.

Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.

Sweetie, no one with a brain is buying this asinine narrative you’re trying and failing to spin. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

I wouldn't blame her.

Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.

Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.

Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.

DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.

Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.

You’re throwing fits like angry toddlers because an employee quit their job on their timeline, not when you demanded they do so. Grow so very much up.

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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.

Honestly, this is probably accurate.

+1

Parents are too much, starting at a young grade.