Anti-Racism Assembly Today?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s Kindergarten kid freaked out by an anti-racism assembly today? My kid needed to sleep with a light on and the door open tonight. Anyone know what specifically was talked about? My kid couldn’t relay much except that she was scared.

The assembly was a well known workshop for the “Anti-racist Fight Club.” It’s been around a while. They have a website, ok?

https://doyinrichards.com/arfc-kids/

It was completely and utterly unacceptable for PK-1 graders. Completely. Many teachers were aghast at the content. We literally put in applications today for other schools as a result of it, and we know other parents now looking too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s Kindergarten kid freaked out by an anti-racism assembly today? My kid needed to sleep with a light on and the door open tonight. Anyone know what specifically was talked about? My kid couldn’t relay much except that she was scared.

The assembly was a well known workshop for the “Anti-racist Fight Club.” It’s been around a while. They have a website, ok?

https://doyinrichards.com/arfc-kids/

And, unsurprisingly, you can't access the content on the website. Because that's what you pay the guy to provide. So the website provides no insight.

The man who created this workshop has a parenting column called Care and Feeding on Slate. His parenting advice is terrible. I wouldn't trust his anti-racism workshop either.

This guy is clearly an opportunist capitalizing on white guilt. Good for him…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s Kindergarten kid freaked out by an anti-racism assembly today? My kid needed to sleep with a light on and the door open tonight. Anyone know what specifically was talked about? My kid couldn’t relay much except that she was scared.

The assembly was a well known workshop for the “Anti-racist Fight Club.” It’s been around a while. They have a website, ok?

https://doyinrichards.com/arfc-kids/

It was completely and utterly unacceptable for PK-1 graders. Completely. Many teachers were aghast at the content. We literally put in applications today for other schools as a result of it, and we know other parents now looking too.

I was in a meeting after school with your principal and can confirm this is false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Programs like these increase the number of people homeschooling.

Has anyone taken into account that little kids are not the most accurate reporters?

I think most of us have known young kids who made up whopping stories that were believed by teachers--an only child who claimed to have siblings; the child of an actuary who said his dad was a firefighter; a child who lived in the local trailer park who said he lived in a mansion.

Assume for a moment that a white child has parents and an extended family who are not the least bit racist. So, when asked to list the racists in their family, the child leaves the space blank. A teacher erroneously concludes the child did not complete the assignment and tells the child to answer the question. Kid then fills in a name because the kid learns that the "right" way to answer the question is to name someone. There's no verification process here--if the kid says Aunt Jennifer is a racist, Aunt Jennifer is a racist.

Moreover, even very young children have figured out that being a racist is something very bad and in anger can call someone a racist because they want to hurt their feelings.

So, personally I think people who say "If you're not a racist, you have nothing to worry about" are just plain wrong.

ooo, i too love to just make up stories about things that haven't happened just to make myself feel bad!

what if one kid instead of leaving it blank, wrote in "24 tap dancers" but there's no verification process and now the teacher believes that the child knows 24 tap dancers! and then what will she do with this information? well teachers work for the GOVERNMENT and so now there's a government list that says MEAN RACISTS: 24 tap dancers. And those 24 tap dancers now cannot get promoted or hired anywhere and they'll never get to have that lead solo they always dreamed about.

DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, JANNEY

WHAT IF

lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was literally laughing out loud reading the "Fistbook" they distributed. Super curious as to how many parents actually attended the Anti-Racism Fight Club from the dude riding the DEI wave all the way to the bank.

At Janney, half my kids teachers are Black. Their principal is Black. Their friends are Black. These are their role models, friends and peers. As far as I'm concerned, all this serves to do is other-ize the POC they love and look up to, assign guilt where none should exist on a child, and divide another American generation along lines of color.

Teach the history, teach the present, teach the truth. But this was seriously one of those times where I wish I lived in VA or something where an adult could feel safe even posing the question of, "do we really think this is the best use of students time and school funding? Is this appropriate?" But at Janney, you keep your mouth shut and your virtues signaled.

Agree! Adults and older kids need to talk about these things. But for little kids, the best approach is just spending their days in a diverse environment. The racism/anti-racism talk just creates an issue that didn’t exist for them before.

But it already exists. The doll experiment was done on very young children. Children make racist connections at a very young age.

— See this link for some discussion of the doll experiment in recent times (not the 1940’s). Note, in particular, the author’s comment about her child’s *diverse* preschool.

— Consider whether the message of the Janney presentation is in any way likely to ameliorate the negative pressures on Black self-esteem identified by the doll experiements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:to add: I think this is one of the ways that you get people rejecting anti-racism material in schools. The potential is that this would do harm to future efforts.

Totally. I also think it’s very counterproductive. I had to describe to my child how the presenter is actually a very bad person and was trying to put bad thoughts into their heads and it was a mistake the school made to bring that bad person in. That is what extreme measures were necessary to undo the damage from that wildly inappropriate assembly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s Kindergarten kid freaked out by an anti-racism assembly today? My kid needed to sleep with a light on and the door open tonight. Anyone know what specifically was talked about? My kid couldn’t relay much except that she was scared.

The assembly was a well known workshop for the “Anti-racist Fight Club.” It’s been around a while. They have a website, ok?

https://doyinrichards.com/arfc-kids/

It was completely and utterly unacceptable for PK-1 graders. Completely. Many teachers were aghast at the content. We literally put in applications today for other schools as a result of it, and we know other parents now looking too.

bargain bin trolling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was literally laughing out loud reading the "Fistbook" they distributed. Super curious as to how many parents actually attended the Anti-Racism Fight Club from the dude riding the DEI wave all the way to the bank.

At Janney, half my kids teachers are Black. Their principal is Black. Their friends are Black. These are their role models, friends and peers. As far as I'm concerned, all this serves to do is other-ize the POC they love and look up to, assign guilt where none should exist on a child, and divide another American generation along lines of color.

Teach the history, teach the present, teach the truth. But this was seriously one of those times where I wish I lived in VA or something where an adult could feel safe even posing the question of, "do we really think this is the best use of students time and school funding? Is this appropriate?" But at Janney, you keep your mouth shut and your virtues signaled.

Agree! Adults and older kids need to talk about these things. But for little kids, the best approach is just spending their days in a diverse environment. The racism/anti-racism talk just creates an issue that didn’t exist for them before.

But it already exists. The doll experiment was done on very young children. Children make racist connections at a very young age.

— See this link for some discussion of the doll experiment in recent times (not the 1940’s). Note, in particular, the author’s comment about her child’s *diverse* preschool.

— Consider whether the message of the Janney presentation is in any way likely to ameliorate the negative pressures on Black self-esteem identified by the doll experiements.

The link: https://theconversation.com/what-i-learned-when-i-recreated-the-famous-doll-test-that-looked-at-how-black-kids-see-race-153780

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

Oh yeah, principal’s a real peach. God forbid she smile at a white kid lest she betray her whole race

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to add: I think this is one of the ways that you get people rejecting anti-racism material in schools. The potential is that this would do harm to future efforts.

Totally. I also think it’s very counterproductive. I had to describe to my child how the presenter is actually a very bad person and was trying to put bad thoughts into their heads and it was a mistake the school made to bring that bad person in. That is what extreme measures were necessary to undo the damage from that wildly inappropriate assembly.

this is even more pathetic trolling. it's just not believable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You might want to take a deep breath. Nothing on this thread indicates violence was preached. Should we also no longer “fight” poverty or “kick” cancer

Violence and horrible generalizations were taught. My children learned from this that white people can’t be trusted, should all be in jail, and are evil. And that old people are the “worstest” of the evil white people and we should hate them all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You might want to take a deep breath. Nothing on this thread indicates violence was preached. Should we also no longer “fight” poverty or “kick” cancer

Yeah, that's truly disingenuous on your part. The kids are asked to think of combating racism in purely violent terms. "Fist Book", "fight club", "throat punching", "choking out", "curb stomping"....

Sorry you are so scared

you aren't a parent, I take it.

I am. And if my kid throat punched a racist I’d be so happy

You are vile

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

Oh yeah, principal’s a real peach. God forbid she smile at a white kid lest she betray her whole race

Why don’t you send your child a little further down the mason dixon line

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You might want to take a deep breath. Nothing on this thread indicates violence was preached. Should we also no longer “fight” poverty or “kick” cancer

Violence and horrible generalizations were taught. My children learned from this that white people can’t be trusted, should all be in jail, and are evil. And that old people are the “worstest” of the evil white people and we should hate them all.

oh YEAH? well my child was even more traumatized than your child, and she learned even more wildly unlikely lessons, like that she herself was personally responsible for slavery, that the moon landing was "fakest," and that every white president in history was actually a humanoid slug bent on world destruction. I can't BELIEVE I had to undo these lessons, for which Janney is 100% responsible. In fact, they owe me $$ for the years of trauma therapy she'll need!