Brent vs. Maury vs. Ludlow-Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Jefferson and is NOT the only white kid in his homeroom. So please don’t be suggesting that there is some intentional practice of making white kids the “only.”

If you don’t believe me, I would be happy to meet you at the school or morning and show you.

This crap is really pissing me off.

This is what I mean—instead of getting pissed off and high and mighty, parents could meet this kind of concern without assuming some kind of blanket racism. “I hear what you are saying, that you are concerned your 10 year old starting in a new school may feel out of place just starting off. I can assure you that there really isn’t any attempt to isolate anyone by race and when my kiddo started, she knew new people and made friendships easily by the end of the first day! Would you like to come by the school and I can introduce you to some people?”

Voila. Compassion and not assuming the worst go a long way. It’s definitely what you would afford to any “only” of anything joining a new community.

why is it on actual Jefferson parents to address your online racial trolling?

Why is it on actual Jefferson parents to come on and insinuate people are racist? Would take the same energy to assume the best and be kind—and would make our neighborhood a better place.

I am not a Jefferson parent. The Hill MS parents on here have only been giving their experiences, which are rebutted with weird rumors and claims that they must be mistaken or delusional. The moment you’re obsessing over your child being the “only” (assuming it’s impossible that the black & latino friends cojld be good classmates - maybe even smarter!) is the moment I know you’re not for real. If you think the challenge here is to convince white parents that black kids are OK, don’t know what to tell you.

get back to me when you have specific questions about curriculum, homework, social-emotional support, extra curriculars …

You must be a white person unused to being the only person of your race in a room. We're Asian who won't send our children to a middle school where the student body is around 1% Asian like at Jefferson. This is our story no matter how many nice, smart black and Latino friends await at a particular middle school.

If DCPS wants to get serious about de-segregating middle schools, they can track more academically. The highly diverse public schools I attended in NYC offered extensive tracking when I attended them and still do.

Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

Yep. This. Middle school academics actually matter.

And the assumption that there can never be acceptable academics in Hill middle schools is more about fear and phobia and less about what you actually know about the schools. And why are you even here if not to insist that “those” schools can never be acceptable? Just move to the burbs and let the rest of us figure it out without your dramatics.

Who are you to tell neighbors to move to the burbs if their children aren't challenged in public middle school classrooms where most classmates lack basic skills? We're entitled to our dramatics for our tax dollars. Fact is, nobody on this thread has argued that Jefferson can never be acceptable to most IB families. I see posts arguing that Jefferson won't be acceptable to most IB families for many years at the rate it's going absent a lot more academic tracking. This is stating the obvious.

The more we hear from you, PP, the gladder I am that we passed on Jefferson for a charter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Jefferson and is NOT the only white kid in his homeroom. So please don’t be suggesting that there is some intentional practice of making white kids the “only.”

If you don’t believe me, I would be happy to meet you at the school or morning and show you.

This crap is really pissing me off.

This is what I mean—instead of getting pissed off and high and mighty, parents could meet this kind of concern without assuming some kind of blanket racism. “I hear what you are saying, that you are concerned your 10 year old starting in a new school may feel out of place just starting off. I can assure you that there really isn’t any attempt to isolate anyone by race and when my kiddo started, she knew new people and made friendships easily by the end of the first day! Would you like to come by the school and I can introduce you to some people?”

Voila. Compassion and not assuming the worst go a long way. It’s definitely what you would afford to any “only” of anything joining a new community.

why is it on actual Jefferson parents to address your online racial trolling?

Why is it on actual Jefferson parents to come on and insinuate people are racist? Would take the same energy to assume the best and be kind—and would make our neighborhood a better place.

I am not a Jefferson parent. The Hill MS parents on here have only been giving their experiences, which are rebutted with weird rumors and claims that they must be mistaken or delusional. The moment you’re obsessing over your child being the “only” (assuming it’s impossible that the black & latino friends cojld be good classmates - maybe even smarter!) is the moment I know you’re not for real. If you think the challenge here is to convince white parents that black kids are OK, don’t know what to tell you.

get back to me when you have specific questions about curriculum, homework, social-emotional support, extra curriculars …

You must be a white person unused to being the only person of your race in a room. We're Asian who won't send our children to a middle school where the student body is around 1% Asian like at Jefferson. This is our story no matter how many nice, smart black and Latino friends await at a particular middle school.

If DCPS wants to get serious about de-segregating middle schools, they can track more academically. The highly diverse public schools I attended in NYC offered extensive tracking when I attended them and still do.

Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

Yep. This. Middle school academics actually matter.

And the assumption that there can never be acceptable academics in Hill middle schools is more about fear and phobia and less about what you actually know about the schools. And why are you even here if not to insist that “those” schools can never be acceptable? Just move to the burbs and let the rest of us figure it out without your dramatics.

Who are you to tell neighbors to move to the burbs if their children aren't challenged in public middle school classrooms where most classmates lack basic skills? We're entitled to our dramatics for our tax dollars. Fact is, nobody on this thread has argued that Jefferson can never be acceptable to most IB families. I see posts arguing that Jefferson won't be acceptable to most IB families for many years at the rate it's going absent a lot more academic tracking. This is stating the obvious.

The more we hear from you, PP, the gladder I am that we passed on Jefferson for a charter.

because you’re literally unwilling to listen or do the work. so you want to exit - exit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Jefferson and is NOT the only white kid in his homeroom. So please don’t be suggesting that there is some intentional practice of making white kids the “only.”

If you don’t believe me, I would be happy to meet you at the school or morning and show you.

This crap is really pissing me off.

This is what I mean—instead of getting pissed off and high and mighty, parents could meet this kind of concern without assuming some kind of blanket racism. “I hear what you are saying, that you are concerned your 10 year old starting in a new school may feel out of place just starting off. I can assure you that there really isn’t any attempt to isolate anyone by race and when my kiddo started, she knew new people and made friendships easily by the end of the first day! Would you like to come by the school and I can introduce you to some people?”

Voila. Compassion and not assuming the worst go a long way. It’s definitely what you would afford to any “only” of anything joining a new community.

why is it on actual Jefferson parents to address your online racial trolling?

Why is it on actual Jefferson parents to come on and insinuate people are racist? Would take the same energy to assume the best and be kind—and would make our neighborhood a better place.

I am not a Jefferson parent. The Hill MS parents on here have only been giving their experiences, which are rebutted with weird rumors and claims that they must be mistaken or delusional. The moment you’re obsessing over your child being the “only” (assuming it’s impossible that the black & latino friends cojld be good classmates - maybe even smarter!) is the moment I know you’re not for real. If you think the challenge here is to convince white parents that black kids are OK, don’t know what to tell you.

get back to me when you have specific questions about curriculum, homework, social-emotional support, extra curriculars …

You must be a white person unused to being the only person of your race in a room. We're Asian who won't send our children to a middle school where the student body is around 1% Asian like at Jefferson. This is our story no matter how many nice, smart black and Latino friends await at a particular middle school.

If DCPS wants to get serious about de-segregating middle schools, they can track more academically. The highly diverse public schools I attended in NYC offered extensive tracking when I attended them and still do.

Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

Yep. This. Middle school academics actually matter.

And the assumption that there can never be acceptable academics in Hill middle schools is more about fear and phobia and less about what you actually know about the schools. And why are you even here if not to insist that “those” schools can never be acceptable? Just move to the burbs and let the rest of us figure it out without your dramatics.

Who are you to tell neighbors to move to the burbs if their children aren't challenged in public middle school classrooms where most classmates lack basic skills? We're entitled to our dramatics for our tax dollars. Fact is, nobody on this thread has argued that Jefferson can never be acceptable to most IB families. I see posts arguing that Jefferson won't be acceptable to most IB families for many years at the rate it's going absent a lot more academic tracking. This is stating the obvious.

The more we hear from you, PP, the gladder I am that we passed on Jefferson for a charter.

because you’re literally unwilling to listen or do the work. so you want to exit - exit.

“Unwilling to listen or do the work” . Accusing people of being racist is literally the laziest way to approach this issue. ALL you do is alienate people and ( maybe ) make yourself feel better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Jefferson and is NOT the only white kid in his homeroom. So please don’t be suggesting that there is some intentional practice of making white kids the “only.”

If you don’t believe me, I would be happy to meet you at the school or morning and show you.

This crap is really pissing me off.

This is what I mean—instead of getting pissed off and high and mighty, parents could meet this kind of concern without assuming some kind of blanket racism. “I hear what you are saying, that you are concerned your 10 year old starting in a new school may feel out of place just starting off. I can assure you that there really isn’t any attempt to isolate anyone by race and when my kiddo started, she knew new people and made friendships easily by the end of the first day! Would you like to come by the school and I can introduce you to some people?”

Voila. Compassion and not assuming the worst go a long way. It’s definitely what you would afford to any “only” of anything joining a new community.

why is it on actual Jefferson parents to address your online racial trolling?

Why is it on actual Jefferson parents to come on and insinuate people are racist? Would take the same energy to assume the best and be kind—and would make our neighborhood a better place.

I am not a Jefferson parent. The Hill MS parents on here have only been giving their experiences, which are rebutted with weird rumors and claims that they must be mistaken or delusional. The moment you’re obsessing over your child being the “only” (assuming it’s impossible that the black & latino friends cojld be good classmates - maybe even smarter!) is the moment I know you’re not for real. If you think the challenge here is to convince white parents that black kids are OK, don’t know what to tell you.

get back to me when you have specific questions about curriculum, homework, social-emotional support, extra curriculars …

You must be a white person unused to being the only person of your race in a room. We're Asian who won't send our children to a middle school where the student body is around 1% Asian like at Jefferson. This is our story no matter how many nice, smart black and Latino friends await at a particular middle school.

If DCPS wants to get serious about de-segregating middle schools, they can track more academically. The highly diverse public schools I attended in NYC offered extensive tracking when I attended them and still do.

Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

Yep. This. Middle school academics actually matter.

And the assumption that there can never be acceptable academics in Hill middle schools is more about fear and phobia and less about what you actually know about the schools. And why are you even here if not to insist that “those” schools can never be acceptable? Just move to the burbs and let the rest of us figure it out without your dramatics.

If you think remedial education is ok for middle school, good for you. But don't be all confused about why people are choosing charters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Jefferson and is NOT the only white kid in his homeroom. So please don’t be suggesting that there is some intentional practice of making white kids the “only.”

If you don’t believe me, I would be happy to meet you at the school or morning and show you.

This crap is really pissing me off.

This is what I mean—instead of getting pissed off and high and mighty, parents could meet this kind of concern without assuming some kind of blanket racism. “I hear what you are saying, that you are concerned your 10 year old starting in a new school may feel out of place just starting off. I can assure you that there really isn’t any attempt to isolate anyone by race and when my kiddo started, she knew new people and made friendships easily by the end of the first day! Would you like to come by the school and I can introduce you to some people?”

Voila. Compassion and not assuming the worst go a long way. It’s definitely what you would afford to any “only” of anything joining a new community.

why is it on actual Jefferson parents to address your online racial trolling?

Why is it on actual Jefferson parents to come on and insinuate people are racist? Would take the same energy to assume the best and be kind—and would make our neighborhood a better place.

I am not a Jefferson parent. The Hill MS parents on here have only been giving their experiences, which are rebutted with weird rumors and claims that they must be mistaken or delusional. The moment you’re obsessing over your child being the “only” (assuming it’s impossible that the black & latino friends cojld be good classmates - maybe even smarter!) is the moment I know you’re not for real. If you think the challenge here is to convince white parents that black kids are OK, don’t know what to tell you.

get back to me when you have specific questions about curriculum, homework, social-emotional support, extra curriculars …

You must be a white person unused to being the only person of your race in a room. We're Asian who won't send our children to a middle school where the student body is around 1% Asian like at Jefferson. This is our story no matter how many nice, smart black and Latino friends await at a particular middle school.

If DCPS wants to get serious about de-segregating middle schools, they can track more academically. The highly diverse public schools I attended in NYC offered extensive tracking when I attended them and still do.

Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

Yep. This. Middle school academics actually matter.

And the assumption that there can never be acceptable academics in Hill middle schools is more about fear and phobia and less about what you actually know about the schools. And why are you even here if not to insist that “those” schools can never be acceptable? Just move to the burbs and let the rest of us figure it out without your dramatics.

Who are you to tell neighbors to move to the burbs if their children aren't challenged in public middle school classrooms where most classmates lack basic skills? We're entitled to our dramatics for our tax dollars. Fact is, nobody on this thread has argued that Jefferson can never be acceptable to most IB families. I see posts arguing that Jefferson won't be acceptable to most IB families for many years at the rate it's going absent a lot more academic tracking. This is stating the obvious.

The more we hear from you, PP, the gladder I am that we passed on Jefferson for a charter.

because you’re literally unwilling to listen or do the work. so you want to exit - exit.

“Unwilling to listen or do the work” . Accusing people of being racist is literally the laziest way to approach this issue. ALL you do is alienate people and ( maybe ) make yourself feel better.

Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong. Zero indication you are actually engaged in a bona fide discussion. But lots to indicate you’re just weirdly hung up on proving these schools are bad in order to justify your own choice. Nobody cares you sent Larlo to Basis. We hope he thrives there. Go away - this conversation is not for you.

[Anonymous]

Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

yeah no, that’s not what happened. clearly you have no actual interest in these schools except as a foil for your own choices. so please just step away.

[Anonymous]

The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

By any objective standard, Jefferson is failing Brent. Some of us want things to improve, and not at glacial speed. Figuring out what, exactly, is behind the exodus, although the Jefferson building was beautifully renovated recently, seems like a logical jumping off point. It will come as no surprise that DCPS doesn't bother to survey Brent (or Tyler, or Van Ness) parents about what they want at Jefferson.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

yeah no, that’s not what happened. clearly you have no actual interest in these schools except as a foil for your own choices. so please just step away.

Again—fall in line or step away. There’s no room for questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

By any objective standard, Jefferson is failing Brent. Some of us want things to improve, and not at glacial speed. Figuring out what, exactly, is behind the exodus, although the Jefferson building was beautifully renovated recently, seems like a logical jumping off point. It will come as no surprise that DCPS doesn't bother to survey Brent (or Tyler, or Van Ness) parents about what they want at Jefferson.

I do remember the principal of Jefferson came to meet with Tyler parents about having advanced Spanish classes available (I think they Had already hired a teacher and it was happening that year before the pandemic- 2019) Don’t know how it’s going now, but seemed like a good faith effort. I was just a pre-K parent listening in being nosy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

There are definitely more than half a dozen Brent families with kids in this year's sixth grade class at Jefferson. I know this, because my family is one of them. (And for what's it's worth, Jefferson also has kids from Van Ness this year, as Van Ness gradated its first fifth-grade class last year.)

I understand your larger point, but please try to make it without hyperbole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

There are definitely more than half a dozen Brent families with kids in this year's sixth grade class at Jefferson. I know this, because my family is one of them. (And for what's it's worth, Jefferson also has kids from Van Ness this year, as Van Ness gradated its first fifth-grade class last year.)

I understand your larger point, but please try to make it without hyperbole.

That’s great! How big is the 6th grade overall?

[Anonymous]

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Please get back to us when have specific answers about when DCPS will stop dropping Brent grads who read one or two years above grade level into Jefferson ELA classes where most students read and write below grade level. PARCC data tells me that many of these kids read and write not just a little below grade level, but 2-4 years below.

You seem to be assuming that Jefferson kids are just randomly assigned to classes without any consideration of individual aptitude/ability. From our experience so far, that does not at all appear to be the case -- at least not for the core (non-elective) classes.

[Anonymous]

Maury is a lovely school. I taught there and would send my own kid in a heartbeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

There are definitely more than half a dozen Brent families with kids in this year's sixth grade class at Jefferson. I know this, because my family is one of them. (And for what's it's worth, Jefferson also has kids from Van Ness this year, as Van Ness gradated its first fifth-grade class last year.)

I understand your larger point, but please try to make it without hyperbole.

Brent families, yes, in-boundary families, no.