Bad Art Friend

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't really give you the country, no. There's not a lot more than that than I already shared, except there were years and years between all of the internet contacts I had with this woman, and, according to the reporter (who could have been her and probably was), she thought I had been stalking her the entire time. I mean, obviously there's an element of crazy, but it is one I don't want to poke with a stick.

You've gotta give us more

[Anonymous]

Something that REALLY bothers me about Larson and her defenders is that they are calling Dorland crazy and obsessed. Those are incredibly gendered labels. This is how women are often discredited. Oh she’s crazy— you can’t trust anything she says. Oh she’s obsessed with me — that’s the only reason she’s making a big deal out of this. It’s what men and people in positions of power say about women (but especially middle aged women) to deflect from their own bad behavior. It’s the Fatal Attraction defense. She’s a bunny boiler! Don’t listen to her!

Watching a woman (and her mostly female defenders) use it to discredit someone less successful and popular is sickening. Watching women just enact patriarchy on each other is gross. Invoking racism on top of it makes it worse.

[Anonymous]

The other day on Twitter Celeste Ng was offering up this “I actually feel bad for her” sort of thing while issuing tweet after tweet mocking her and divulging that she pitched the story. Will there be any social consequences for this group of writers? Or can you just be this cruel and people will forget about it?

[Anonymous]

I just spent an hour reading Twitter and court docs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something that REALLY bothers me about Larson and her defenders is that they are calling Dorland crazy and obsessed. Those are incredibly gendered labels. This is how women are often discredited. Oh she’s crazy— you can’t trust anything she says. Oh she’s obsessed with me — that’s the only reason she’s making a big deal out of this. It’s what men and people in positions of power say about women (but especially middle aged women) to deflect from their own bad behavior. It’s the Fatal Attraction defense. She’s a bunny boiler! Don’t listen to her!

Watching a woman (and her mostly female defenders) use it to discredit someone less successful and popular is sickening. Watching women just enact patriarchy on each other is gross. Invoking racism on top of it makes it worse.

Great point and valuable to this discussion. Thank you.

Their projection of Dawn as the stalker is pathetic given their joy at following everything she did.

[Anonymous]

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

Right? I could overlook her crappy books, but this is beyond the pale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

And the irony, of course, is her whole Twitter - outside of trashing this kidney donor - is about white savior stuff. Help the refugees, help these other people, here donate to this other thing. Look here Ms Uber Successful Author - how about YOU donate to these causes, get your richie rich friends to do the same, and stop making a big show about how noble and concerned you are. How about if you do it quietly, without anyone even knowing, instead of shouting it from your Twitter, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

And the irony, of course, is her whole Twitter - outside of trashing this kidney donor - is about white savior stuff. Help the refugees, help these other people, here donate to this other thing. Look here Ms Uber Successful Author - how about YOU donate to these causes, get your richie rich friends to do the same, and stop making a big show about how noble and concerned you are. How about if you do it quietly, without anyone even knowing, instead of shouting it from your Twitter, too?

Yeah once she started taking heat for the Dorland thing, she decided to mute the thread and is now trying to bury it under an avalanche of posts about Afghan refugees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

And the irony, of course, is her whole Twitter - outside of trashing this kidney donor - is about white savior stuff. Help the refugees, help these other people, here donate to this other thing. Look here Ms Uber Successful Author - how about YOU donate to these causes, get your richie rich friends to do the same, and stop making a big show about how noble and concerned you are. How about if you do it quietly, without anyone even knowing, instead of shouting it from your Twitter, too?

Yeah once she started taking heat for the Dorland thing, she decided to mute the thread and is now trying to bury it under an avalanche of posts about Afghan refugees.

We should really make the snake eat its tail by mocking her relentlessly for wanting to help refugees and talking about it incessantly. What am I supposed to donate a kidney to the refugees or something? Why does she talk about it so much? Do none of my writer friends care about my helping the refugees? Am I not a saint for helping the refugees - or at least tweeting a lot about refugees?

(I support helping refugees. I used to work in refugee protection. I just CANNOT stand the smugness or hypocrisy here.)

[Anonymous]

I just read it in the NYTimes. I was bored by it frankly. It was just small minded and completely spun out of control by both parties - both equally obsessive, equally petty, and yes, nuts as far as their behaviors and words portrayed them.

Storm in a tea-cup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just read it in the NYTimes. I was bored by it frankly. It was just small minded and completely spun out of control by both parties - both equally obsessive, equally petty, and yes, nuts as far as their behaviors and words portrayed them.

Storm in a tea-cup.

But they weren’t equally obsessive and their “crimes” weren’t equal. The author really wanted to spin this to make Dorland look obsessive but there was a period of two YEARS where Dorland was not contacting Larson. Once she realized the extent of the plagiarism she rightfully decided to resume contact. Larson’s emails and texts were subject to discovery due to her suing first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

And the irony, of course, is her whole Twitter - outside of trashing this kidney donor - is about white savior stuff. Help the refugees, help these other people, here donate to this other thing. Look here Ms Uber Successful Author - how about YOU donate to these causes, get your richie rich friends to do the same, and stop making a big show about how noble and concerned you are. How about if you do it quietly, without anyone even knowing, instead of shouting it from your Twitter, too?

Yeah once she started taking heat for the Dorland thing, she decided to mute the thread and is now trying to bury it under an avalanche of posts about Afghan refugees.

What a coward. There are a few authors on Twitter pulling this “yeah Sonya did this and that but Dawn is still worse”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thought this was apt.

I really wanted to like Celeste Ng, but she comes off as really, really immature and middle-school-popular-girl-wannabe.

Right? I could overlook her crappy books, but this is beyond the pale.

I just attempted to read one of her books a few months ago and couldn’t make it halfway through. Not impressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other day on Twitter Celeste Ng was offering up this “I actually feel bad for her” sort of thing while issuing tweet after tweet mocking her and divulging that she pitched the story. Will there be any social consequences for this group of writers? Or can you just be this cruel and people will forget about it?

Can someone explain the significance of pitching the story herself other than she did not have money to hire a publicist?