Thrive Montgomery 2050

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how does the "density at the metro" relate to crime and quality of life issues? When you mix housing in with urban social and business spots, you get a lot of issues associated with drinking, drugs, homelessness, etc. Right where you live. And police really aren't allowed to enforce those low-level crimes anymore. How does Thrive address that? A lot of the crime Silver Spring, Wheaton, and Bethesda deal with, for example, is perpetrated by people coming in from DC.....on the metro.

Oh really

Yes, especially the car jackings.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-than-100-carjackings-reported-in-dmv-so-far-this-year/65-9b001736-e398-4ece-a7e1-2a9c978f7314


"ABC7 asked numerous sources within law enforcement and the judicial system what they believed caused Montgomery to have a less favorable violent crime rate. Many noted that Montgomery County borders D.C. and Prince George's County, which have significantly higher criminal elements. Fairfax County, on the other hand, has a geographic buffer from D.C. thanks to Arlington County and the City of Alexandria.

"These guys can hop on the Red Line and zip back to D.C. with great ease," said a longtime police officer, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We also often see cars and homes targeted right along Western Avenue in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Friendship Heights."
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/10/montgomery-co-police-see-different-types-of-crime-committed-during-pandemic/


Daily arrests. With their addresses.
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data
Sort by state and see the types of crimes DC residents are committing here in Montgomery County.

So I clicked the last link to see data and the vast majority of offenders are from MD. Nice try!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how does the "density at the metro" relate to crime and quality of life issues? When you mix housing in with urban social and business spots, you get a lot of issues associated with drinking, drugs, homelessness, etc. Right where you live. And police really aren't allowed to enforce those low-level crimes anymore. How does Thrive address that? A lot of the crime Silver Spring, Wheaton, and Bethesda deal with, for example, is perpetrated by people coming in from DC.....on the metro.

Oh really

Yes, especially the car jackings.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-than-100-carjackings-reported-in-dmv-so-far-this-year/65-9b001736-e398-4ece-a7e1-2a9c978f7314


"ABC7 asked numerous sources within law enforcement and the judicial system what they believed caused Montgomery to have a less favorable violent crime rate. Many noted that Montgomery County borders D.C. and Prince George's County, which have significantly higher criminal elements. Fairfax County, on the other hand, has a geographic buffer from D.C. thanks to Arlington County and the City of Alexandria.

"These guys can hop on the Red Line and zip back to D.C. with great ease," said a longtime police officer, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We also often see cars and homes targeted right along Western Avenue in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Friendship Heights."
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/10/montgomery-co-police-see-different-types-of-crime-committed-during-pandemic/


Daily arrests. With their addresses.
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data
Sort by state and see the types of crimes DC residents are committing here in Montgomery County.

So I clicked the last link to see data and the vast majority of offenders are from MD. Nice try!

I also looked and there were only a couple from DC. The entire claim is silly anyway because we already have the Metro stops. He's claiming that building density near the already existing stops will increase crime from people in DC. Talk about tilting at windmills. The county is expecting a couple hundred thousand new residents in the next thirty years. Where should we put them? The county has decided they want to try to put a lot of them near transit to reduce traffic volume. The alternative is to keep putting people in Clarksburg or destroy the Ag Reserve. I for one want more density. It won't house all 200k people but at least they're thinking about it ahead of time instead of waiting for the entire to fill up with SFH's and traffic to be even worse. Any cars we can get off the road (or keep off the road for new residents) is a win.

[Anonymous]

Was it just a dog whistle then? I missed that thinking it was an actual argument.

Oh noes, not the urbanz ppl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

Imagine being so entitled that you not only actually believe you have a right to your neighbor's property but you also believe that your neighbor having the right to decide what they do with their own property is somehow stealing from you!

People like you belong in a mental institution. You are literally paranoid and delusional.

[Anonymous]

What is the progressive OBSESSION with trying to steam roll over SFH neighborhoods and to tear them down? People worked hard to own a home and the American dream, yet progressives don't want to allow it and want to knock it all down to try some experiment with urban planning. Worse yet, the assumptions they've made to support jamming this through are faulty. The county's demographics are actually showing that it'll decline over the next 20-30 years, so in the end there will probably be no where near as much population growth as they're hyping using phony numbers and all they did was just ruin a bunch of neighborhoods and tear down SFHs...

Seriously, I just don't get the obsession with trying to make SFH owners out to the the bad guys..... I get that you're envious of homeowners. But why try to destroy just because you can't obtain what they have? Maybe we should also ban all jobs they pay more than you currently make too while we are at it and for equity's sake, you know...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how does the "density at the metro" relate to crime and quality of life issues? When you mix housing in with urban social and business spots, you get a lot of issues associated with drinking, drugs, homelessness, etc. Right where you live. And police really aren't allowed to enforce those low-level crimes anymore. How does Thrive address that? A lot of the crime Silver Spring, Wheaton, and Bethesda deal with, for example, is perpetrated by people coming in from DC.....on the metro.

Oh really

Yes, especially the car jackings.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-than-100-carjackings-reported-in-dmv-so-far-this-year/65-9b001736-e398-4ece-a7e1-2a9c978f7314


"ABC7 asked numerous sources within law enforcement and the judicial system what they believed caused Montgomery to have a less favorable violent crime rate. Many noted that Montgomery County borders D.C. and Prince George's County, which have significantly higher criminal elements. Fairfax County, on the other hand, has a geographic buffer from D.C. thanks to Arlington County and the City of Alexandria.

"These guys can hop on the Red Line and zip back to D.C. with great ease," said a longtime police officer, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We also often see cars and homes targeted right along Western Avenue in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Friendship Heights."
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/10/montgomery-co-police-see-different-types-of-crime-committed-during-pandemic/


Daily arrests. With their addresses.
https://data.montgomerycountymd.gov/Public-Safety/Daily-Arrests/xhwt-7h2h/data
Sort by state and see the types of crimes DC residents are committing here in Montgomery County.

So I clicked the last link to see data and the vast majority of offenders are from MD. Nice try!

I never said most. I said a lot. But the larger issue is co-locating housing with business. And the attendant degradation of the quality of life that occurs. It wouldn't be as much of a concern if you had a public safety framework that could handle it. But you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

Imagine being so entitled that you not only actually believe you have a right to your neighbor's property but you also believe that your neighbor having the right to decide what they do with their own property is somehow stealing from you!

People like you belong in a mental institution. You are literally paranoid and delusional.

Oh yes, my neighbors should be able to sell their property to a business developer who'll operate a factory that produces all sorts of pollution right next to homes where people live.

You sound unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the progressive OBSESSION with trying to steam roll over SFH neighborhoods and to tear them down? People worked hard to own a home and the American dream, yet progressives don't want to allow it and want to knock it all down to try some experiment with urban planning. Worse yet, the assumptions they've made to support jamming this through are faulty. The county's demographics are actually showing that it'll decline over the next 20-30 years, so in the end there will probably be no where near as much population growth as they're hyping using phony numbers and all they did was just ruin a bunch of neighborhoods and tear down SFHs...

Seriously, I just don't get the obsession with trying to make SFH owners out to the the bad guys..... I get that you're envious of homeowners. But why try to destroy just because you can't obtain what they have? Maybe we should also ban all jobs they pay more than you currently make too while we are at it and for equity's sake, you know...

We already don't have enough housing. This isn't an issue of projections.

And that "American Dream" has been built off other people's labor. It's not possible for it to be a reality for everyone. Someone has to be exploiting others to achieve it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

Imagine being so entitled that you not only actually believe you have a right to your neighbor's property but you also believe that your neighbor having the right to decide what they do with their own property is somehow stealing from you!

People like you belong in a mental institution. You are literally paranoid and delusional.

Oh yes, my neighbors should be able to sell their property to a business developer who'll operate a factory that produces all sorts of pollution right next to homes where people live.

You sound unhinged.

Yeah, we want that factory to be built next to other people's homes, not ours.

We're taking about the poor's living in an apartment building like a factory so that we can dehumanize them, right?

[Anonymous]

I live in a neighborhood that already has low-rise apartments interspersed with SFHs and it's....fine? It means that we have enough density to have a corner store where my kids can get ice cream, and good public transportation.

It's also a neighborhood that has begun to see a fair number of tear-downs and replacements with homes that are 2x the size of the original SFH. If someone is going to build a 3500 square foot house, it doesn't change my life at all if that's a duplex or one massive home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

Imagine being so entitled that you not only actually believe you have a right to your neighbor's property but you also believe that your neighbor having the right to decide what they do with their own property is somehow stealing from you!

People like you belong in a mental institution. You are literally paranoid and delusional.

Oh yes, my neighbors should be able to sell their property to a business developer who'll operate a factory that produces all sorts of pollution right next to homes where people live.

You sound unhinged.

Yeah, we want that factory to be built next to other people's homes, not ours.

We're taking about the poor's living in an apartment building like a factory so that we can dehumanize them, right?

How about focusing on creating jobs if you want to combat poverty?

Oh yeah, that's right. We have incompent progressive morons like you and your ilk running the county who are absolutely incapable of creating high quality, high paying jobs. No wonder MoCo has had conomically stunted growth over the last 20 years. The county is only capable of producing and creating low paying service jobs due to shitty progressive anti-business policies that make it a very hostile environment to run a business. Then when everyone is now poor because jobs quality sucks, it must be the fault of all of those homeowners. If we just mix in the poor's now with homeowners and year down SFHs we will magically create equity and sing kumbaya songs all together because we will definitely all have more wealth! Never mind trying to create actual jobs!

We all know it'll be a disaster that will overcrowd schools, ruin neighborhoods with traffic and still do nothing to create quality jobs in the county. It's nothing more than a dumb progressive wet dream experiment for urban development without actually doing anything of substance to grow the economy. MoCo is in deep and irreversible decline and sealed its fate over the last 20 years. All of the real growth and prosperity is in NoVa and will avalanche even more to NoVa once this nightmare picks up steam. MoCo will be Baltimore in 20 years. A high tax, over regulated locality with a declining base that has fled the progressive dystopian nightmare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be a disaster. I really wish they'd just be honest - it is just a proposal to obtain, raze, and destroy SFHs and neighborhoods with SFHs. It's the progressive dream.

Nevermind the fact that roads won't be able to handle all of the traffic and there are almost zero plans for addressing school capacity. MoCo is on its death bed. The progressives are after your homes and want to tear it down. Nothing like working hard and saving to buy a house only to have the home next to you replaced by a gigantic apartment complex with residents too cheap to pay for parking, so they'll all start parking 200 cars on the street outside your home. This is a utopian nightmare. Hopefully we will be out of the county early enough to sell our home to a sucker who won't be aware of Thrive 2050 plans. Progress means turning the entire county into a concrete jungle like Tokyo, except we all know we will get the crappy dollar store version of Tokyo instead of the high quality real thing.

Keep talking like that, and Thrive 2050 will sail through.

[Anonymous]

Congratulations. This is the dumbest regurgitation of Ayn Rand that I have heard in a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

Imagine being so entitled that you not only actually believe you have a right to your neighbor's property but you also believe that your neighbor having the right to decide what they do with their own property is somehow stealing from you!

People like you belong in a mental institution. You are literally paranoid and delusional.

Oh yes, my neighbors should be able to sell their property to a business developer who'll operate a factory that produces all sorts of pollution right next to homes where people live.

You sound unhinged.

Yeah, we want that factory to be built next to other people's homes, not ours.

We're taking about the poor's living in an apartment building like a factory so that we can dehumanize them, right?

How about focusing on creating jobs if you want to combat poverty?

Oh yeah, that's right. We have incompent progressive morons like you and your ilk running the county who are absolutely incapable of creating high quality, high paying jobs. No wonder MoCo has had conomically stunted growth over the last 20 years. The county is only capable of producing and creating low paying service jobs due to shitty progressive anti-business policies that make it a very hostile environment to run a business. Then when everyone is now poor because jobs quality sucks, it must be the fault of all of those homeowners. If we just mix in the poor's now with homeowners and year down SFHs we will magically create equity and sing kumbaya songs all together because we will definitely all have more wealth! Never mind trying to create actual jobs!

We all know it'll be a disaster that will overcrowd schools, ruin neighborhoods with traffic and still do nothing to create quality jobs in the county. It's nothing more than a dumb progressive wet dream experiment for urban development without actually doing anything of substance to grow the economy. MoCo is in deep and irreversible decline and sealed its fate over the last 20 years. All of the real growth and prosperity is in NoVa and will avalanche even more to NoVa once this nightmare picks up steam. MoCo will be Baltimore in 20 years. A high tax, over regulated locality with a declining base that has fled the progressive dystopian nightmare.

Don't worry, NoVA is on track to be MoCo as people move for the nicer lifestyle and immediately start turning it into the places they left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we keep our SFHs? If there's nowhere for the poors to live then they can just pitch a tent.

Well, OK I'd call the police and then throw away their stuff but other than that, I see no reason for building new housing.

I mean, come on! I already have a home and don't need or want more. Well, unless I want to buy a vacation home.

Yeesh, communists.

How about you try working hard, getting an education, and saving money for once in your life instead of trying to take what other have worked so hard for?

If I can't have what they have, destroy!

MoCo is toast. People dream of getting a Tokyo when we will likely get a Rio instead due the sheer incompetence of the county govt.

^ this.

This is a classic example of what looks good on paper, but rarely translates into reality.

This is what happens when hardcore virtue warriors dominate local politics. The council will pass this plan to earn themselves a virtue badge, then bounce in a few years to greener and higher paying pastures. Organize if you don't want this to pass because the council is trying to fast track this plan as soon as possible. It'll end up being worse than the purple line fiasco.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/some-council-members-hope-for-final-vote-on-thrive-montgomery-by-years-end/