GPA - Recruiting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about outside of the Ivies? How good to the grades have to be?

Depends On the school. I would argue that you likely need better grades/ scores for a Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore than for an Ivy as a recruited athlete - all things being equal.

A weighted 3.5 - 3.8 (for lacrosse) could make you competitive at some NESCACs, most of Centennial, most of ODAC, all of Liberty, etc. the coaches will be the best initial sanity check, as they can tell you whether you are in the ballpark or not. The test score also matters. A lower GPA can be offset by a high SAT/ACT. Again, depends on the school, and on where the player ranks on the coach’s board.

While post-COVID, many schools have gone test-optional, any lacrosse player who is trying to get recruited likely needs to have a test score to submit. The coaches will want that - especially if it is a score that helps with admissions.

Good grades from private trumps public school. Very hard to get into top school from public even with 4.0 gpa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about outside of the Ivies? How good to the grades have to be?

Depends On the school. I would argue that you likely need better grades/ scores for a Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore than for an Ivy as a recruited athlete - all things being equal.

A weighted 3.5 - 3.8 (for lacrosse) could make you competitive at some NESCACs, most of Centennial, most of ODAC, all of Liberty, etc. the coaches will be the best initial sanity check, as they can tell you whether you are in the ballpark or not. The test score also matters. A lower GPA can be offset by a high SAT/ACT. Again, depends on the school, and on where the player ranks on the coach’s board.

While post-COVID, many schools have gone test-optional, any lacrosse player who is trying to get recruited likely needs to have a test score to submit. The coaches will want that - especially if it is a score that helps with admissions.

Good grades from private trumps public school. Very hard to get into top school from public even with 4.0 gpa.

Depends on which schools you are comparing. The top Fairfax County publics routinely send kids to top schools (think Oakton, Langley, McLean, Woodson, TJ (obviously) ). The high academics are all familiar with the top publics in the DMV. That said, I agree a public school that is not as highly regarded could be a detriment, but generally speaking, those schools don’t have lacrosse programs. . . .

[Anonymous]

I saw a recruiting webinar with coaches from Williams & Swarthmore. Both coaches said they look at grades, class rigor & test scores first. You can submit the most incredible film, with the sweetest moves, but it doesn't matter if they can't get sign off from the Admissions Office. Both coaches said players commonly misunderstand the process and believe strong lax skills suffice. So they have to routinely email players saying, we appreciate your interest & we'd love to have you play for us, but unfortunately you don't have the grades. Schools also look at the entire team's GPA, so an incoming freshman with a high GPA is always helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about outside of the Ivies? How good to the grades have to be?

Depends On the school. I would argue that you likely need better grades/ scores for a Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore than for an Ivy as a recruited athlete - all things being equal.

A weighted 3.5 - 3.8 (for lacrosse) could make you competitive at some NESCACs, most of Centennial, most of ODAC, all of Liberty, etc. the coaches will be the best initial sanity check, as they can tell you whether you are in the ballpark or not. The test score also matters. A lower GPA can be offset by a high SAT/ACT. Again, depends on the school, and on where the player ranks on the coach’s board.

While post-COVID, many schools have gone test-optional, any lacrosse player who is trying to get recruited likely needs to have a test score to submit. The coaches will want that - especially if it is a score that helps with admissions.

Good grades from private trumps public school. Very hard to get into top school from public even with 4.0 gpa.[/quote]

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile my DD from a public HS has teammates going to Middlebury, Swarthmore, University of Chicago and Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about outside of the Ivies? How good to the grades have to be?

Depends On the school. I would argue that you likely need better grades/ scores for a Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore than for an Ivy as a recruited athlete - all things being equal.

A weighted 3.5 - 3.8 (for lacrosse) could make you competitive at some NESCACs, most of Centennial, most of ODAC, all of Liberty, etc. the coaches will be the best initial sanity check, as they can tell you whether you are in the ballpark or not. The test score also matters. A lower GPA can be offset by a high SAT/ACT. Again, depends on the school, and on where the player ranks on the coach’s board.

While post-COVID, many schools have gone test-optional, any lacrosse player who is trying to get recruited likely needs to have a test score to submit. The coaches will want that - especially if it is a score that helps with admissions.

Good grades from private trumps public school. Very hard to get into top school from public even with 4.0 gpa.[/quote]

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile my DD from a public HS has teammates going to Middlebury, Swarthmore, University of Chicago and Stanford.

Not saying there are none from public school, but vast majority of top school men’s lacrosse rosters are filled with private / boarding school kids. Don’t know anything about women’s lacrosse maybe it is different.

[Anonymous]

The reason why college rosters have a majority private school roster is for years, lacrosse was predominantly a private school sport (much like crew). Even now, that’s still the case - but to a lesser extent. While there are many VA public’s that have lacrosse, there are many that do not (the high schools by the Beach, for example). By contrast, almost every private of a certain size has lacrosse, and those programs have been part of their schools’ athletic offerings for a longer period than the corresponding public schools.

Also, let’s also not forget: private schools attract a certain socio-economic demographic, and as a non-revenue sport, collegiate lacrosse programs (especially at expensive private colleges) tend to be populated by full-pay kids. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, but it is generally the rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason why college rosters have a majority private school roster is for years, lacrosse was predominantly a private school sport (much like crew). Even now, that’s still the case - but to a lesser extent. While there are many VA public’s that have lacrosse, there are many that do not (the high schools by the Beach, for example). By contrast, almost every private of a certain size has lacrosse, and those programs have been part of their schools’ athletic offerings for a longer period than the corresponding public schools.

Also, let’s also not forget: private schools attract a certain socio-economic demographic, and as a non-revenue sport, collegiate lacrosse programs (especially at expensive private colleges) tend to be populated by full-pay kids. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, but it is generally the rule.

You have an interesting point but I don’t think that explains it. Sure I agree that full pay kids have an advantage in the admissions process but I don’t think the coaches look at that when picking recruits. The coaches are looking at lacrosse skill and grades/ability hang academically. My view is that, at the highly selective schools (Ivies, etc.), the coaches don’t want to bring aboard kids who will hurt the team’s GPA. Every story I have ever heard is that public school student going to Ivy or Ivy equivalent is completely underprepared. I think the coaches know this and hence gravitate towards private schools with more academic rigor.

[Anonymous]

My kid goes to a private school. That makes him likely better at lacrosse and more valued for academics than public school kids. It's a harsh reality but a reality nonetheless. Yes everyone has a "...I knew someone from x school that got into Harvard.." or "so and so from y school plays for Duke..." but the private school kids will invariably go to higher level schools by percentage and play for higher level lacrosse teams by percentage than public school kids. Don't believe me? Probably because you went to public school and can't reason the math.

[Anonymous]

My son is dyslexic with good grades (3.8 UW) and terrible ACT. He did make the Ivy index.

Non-Ivy couldn’t care less.

Ivies/NASCAC were okay with the Ivy index but wanted him to bring up his ACT score. One NASCAC said the ACT was too low, can you retake. He only took it once and did not do any tutoring. But a bird in the hand so he didn’t.

The bottom of the Ivy is not for ever recruit is reserved got top recruits.

Depending on the school he would not be automatically admitted to Engineeting/Business schools. He wasn’t interested in Engineering.

That why people make fun of Communications majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes to a private school. That makes him likely better at lacrosse and more valued for academics than public school kids. It's a harsh reality but a reality nonetheless. Yes everyone has a "...I knew someone from x school that got into Harvard.." or "so and so from y school plays for Duke..." but the private school kids will invariably go to higher level schools by percentage and play for higher level lacrosse teams by percentage than public school kids. Don't believe me? Probably because you went to public school and can't reason the math.

1/2 the NE. Kids and most the Long Island kids go to public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes to a private school. That makes him likely better at lacrosse and more valued for academics than public school kids. It's a harsh reality but a reality nonetheless. Yes everyone has a "...I knew someone from x school that got into Harvard.." or "so and so from y school plays for Duke..." but the private school kids will invariably go to higher level schools by percentage and play for higher level lacrosse teams by percentage than public school kids. Don't believe me? Probably because you went to public school and can't reason the math.

1/2 the NE. Kids and most the Long Island kids go to public.

Fish poop in the ocean. What's the point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes to a private school. That makes him likely better at lacrosse and more valued for academics than public school kids. It's a harsh reality but a reality nonetheless. Yes everyone has a "...I knew someone from x school that got into Harvard.." or "so and so from y school plays for Duke..." but the private school kids will invariably go to higher level schools by percentage and play for higher level lacrosse teams by percentage than public school kids. Don't believe me? Probably because you went to public school and can't reason the math.

1/2 the NE. Kids and most the Long Island kids go to public.

Fish poop in the ocean. What's the point?

Your opinion is myopic

[Anonymous]

No reputable college accepts/considers a “weighted” GPA. It’s a public school gimmick and elite colleges are well-aware. They look at GPA and rigor of course load. If they are unfamiliar with a school, they will give greater consideration to APs as these course are standardized across the country. It’s the only reliable standardized measurement left for public schools if the SAT/ACT is out or optional. Private schools are typically easier to judge rigor unless they are new or tiny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No reputable college accepts/considers a “weighted” GPA. It’s a public school gimmick and elite colleges are well-aware. They look at GPA and rigor of course load. If they are unfamiliar with a school, they will give greater consideration to APs as these course are standardized across the country. It’s the only reliable standardized measurement left for public schools if the SAT/ACT is out or optional. Private schools are typically easier to judge rigor unless they are new or tiny.

They don’t judge rigor they use GPA and SAT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No reputable college accepts/considers a “weighted” GPA. It’s a public school gimmick and elite colleges are well-aware. They look at GPA and rigor of course load. If they are unfamiliar with a school, they will give greater consideration to APs as these course are standardized across the country. It’s the only reliable standardized measurement left for public schools if the SAT/ACT is out or optional. Private schools are typically easier to judge rigor unless they are new or tiny.

They don’t judge rigor they use GPA and SAT

Incorrect. Coaches know which private schools have rigor. Not much of a debate.