If you believe in hell

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People already know about your religion and aren’t interested.

You’re ‘Good News’ sharing is to make YOU feel good.

“Sooner would a camel go through the eye of a needle than a rich person go to heaven.”

I do tell wealthy evangelicals that, but they’ve made up some lies to deny the literal Bible text. It’s sad to watch them vote to help the wealthy — vote for the GOP, the party of billionaires— as they themselves sin. Jesus gave us this word.

Let me guess. You can't read Latin or Ancient/New Testament Greek, let alone Hebrew or Aramaic, right? You're a just-read-it-in-English type of person who thinks that it is possible to accurately translate the the specifics of ancient texts written in other languages and cultures into your basic, straggling contemporary English?

Lol.

So people need to be able to speak AND read Latin, Ancient/NT Greek, Hebrew AND Aramaic, to speak about salvation and the Bible?



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Yes, stupid, if you want to actually know what the Bible actually says, you need to accept that you are getting a broad-brush-stroked outline, filtered through a tunnel of many, many translators' interpretations and language choices, a bit like the children's game Telephone. You don't actually know your primary source very well at all.

Also, I find it interesting that the majority of scholars I know who can actually read the text are atheists. It is the poorly educated people who can't even read the book they claim to follow who are the most enthusiastically religious. Weird.

But your religion was invented to control people like you, so...

In addition, citing “people you know” as a source of knowledge doesn’t carry weight.

OK, I'm having a slow Sunday.

Give me any four consecutive verses of the New Testament and tell me what you think they mean.

[Anonymous]

Ok, so this again is not really a thread about salvation. It’s another attempt to “prove” that other people are “wrong” in their religious beliefs.

Other people believe as the wish and apparently it’s your mission in life to prove they are incorrect in their religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so this again is not really a thread about salvation. It’s another attempt to “prove” that other people are “wrong” in their religious beliefs.

Other people believe as the wish and apparently it’s your mission in life to prove they are incorrect in their religious beliefs.

Could you stop replying with memes? This is a site for grownups.

[Anonymous]

The memes make you look stupid, OP. They aren't proving your point or making you sound more credible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The memes make you look stupid, OP. They aren't proving your point or making you sound more credible.

And you SHOULD be taking all steps you can to sound credible so that others may through you learn of the Good News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so this again is not really a thread about salvation. It’s another attempt to “prove” that other people are “wrong” in their religious beliefs.

Other people believe as the wish and apparently it’s your mission in life to prove they are incorrect in their religious beliefs.

This is rich.

What do you think you’re doing when your spreading your ‘good news’ and trying to convert people?

You trying to prove your religion is the one true way and others are wrong and their gods are false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The fate of the unlearned, also known as the destiny of the unevangelized, is an eschatological question about the ultimate destiny of people who have not been exposed to a particular theology or doctrine and thus have no opportunity to embrace it. The question is whether those who never hear of requirements issued through divine revelations will be punished for failure to abide by those requirements.“

That question is not easily answered. Great and learned theological scholars labor to do so.

I have a problem myself answering this question, because a lot of it hinges on the fact that as a Christian, I am limited in sharing the Good News with people around me. I can’t do so easily without being accused of trying to “convert” people. My love for my fellow man and my belief that we all are welcome to embrace the redemption of Jesus blood and live in everlasting peace in paradise with Him is viewed as intolerance, even though that’s exactly what Jesus taught and commanded us to share. I want to share the Good News. I want my fellow man in Paradise with me, with our Lord and Savior, for eternity. But having a simple conversation with a stranger or friend or neighbor about that would be viewed extremely unfavorably a high percentage of the time IRL.

In short, if you are a Christian and want to tell people about salvation, you are seen as a whack job. If you respect the fact that other people aren’t Christian and don’t want to hear the Good News, you are a cruel bigot who wants people to go to Hell.

* please consider opening your heart to Jesus. He Loves you and will never leave you. You don’t have to be perfect, and all you have to do to claim His amazing gift is this:

“Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior.“

Amen.

If you really believe this stuff, then an appeal on a public internet forum does not fulfill your obligation to spread the Good News and you wouldn't worry about being seen as a whack job.

or maybe you're a troll just trying to make Christians look bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People already know about your religion and aren’t interested.

You’re ‘Good News’ sharing is to make YOU feel good.

Also, you are welcome to your opinion on this topic, but please do not speak for me or put words in my mouth. It’s just authentic and polite to ask why someone does what they do and not make statements for them, especially if you have never met them and do not know them.

Meanwhile, you think people you've never met are going to burn forever because they don't believe something written in a book 2,000 years ago in a language you don't understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“The fate of the unlearned, also known as the destiny of the unevangelized, is an eschatological question about the ultimate destiny of people who have not been exposed to a particular theology or doctrine and thus have no opportunity to embrace it. The question is whether those who never hear of requirements issued through divine revelations will be punished for failure to abide by those requirements.“

That question is not easily answered. Great and learned theological scholars labor to do so.

I have a problem myself answering this question, because a lot of it hinges on the fact that as a Christian, I am limited in sharing the Good News with people around me. I can’t do so easily without being accused of trying to “convert” people. My love for my fellow man and my belief that we all are welcome to embrace the redemption of Jesus blood and live in everlasting peace in paradise with Him is viewed as intolerance, even though that’s exactly what Jesus taught and commanded us to share. I want to share the Good News. I want my fellow man in Paradise with me, with our Lord and Savior, for eternity. But having a simple conversation with a stranger or friend or neighbor about that would be viewed extremely unfavorably a high percentage of the time IRL.

In short, if you are a Christian and want to tell people about salvation, you are seen as a whack job. If you respect the fact that other people aren’t Christian and don’t want to hear the Good News, you are a cruel bigot who wants people to go to Hell.

* please consider opening your heart to Jesus. He Loves you and will never leave you. You don’t have to be perfect, and all you have to do to claim His amazing gift is this:

“Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior.“

Amen.

If you really believe this stuff, then an appeal on a public internet forum does not fulfill your obligation to spread the Good News and you wouldn't worry about being seen as a whack job.

or maybe you're a troll just trying to make Christians look bad.

Yes, I was futilely trying to answer a question asked in bad faith by op. This thread really isn’t about whatever topic op pretended it was, it was his/her daily attack on Christianity.

[Anonymous]

The memes are so childish. Are you 14? Do you not see that the memes are a weak attempt to communicate something you don't have the words to express?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The fate of the unlearned, also known as the destiny of the unevangelized, is an eschatological question about the ultimate destiny of people who have not been exposed to a particular theology or doctrine and thus have no opportunity to embrace it. The question is whether those who never hear of requirements issued through divine revelations will be punished for failure to abide by those requirements.“

That question is not easily answered. Great and learned theological scholars labor to do so.

I have a problem myself answering this question, because a lot of it hinges on the fact that as a Christian, I am limited in sharing the Good News with people around me. I can’t do so easily without being accused of trying to “convert” people. My love for my fellow man and my belief that we all are welcome to embrace the redemption of Jesus blood and live in everlasting peace in paradise with Him is viewed as intolerance, even though that’s exactly what Jesus taught and commanded us to share. I want to share the Good News. I want my fellow man in Paradise with me, with our Lord and Savior, for eternity. But having a simple conversation with a stranger or friend or neighbor about that would be viewed extremely unfavorably a high percentage of the time IRL.

In short, if you are a Christian and want to tell people about salvation, you are seen as a whack job. If you respect the fact that other people aren’t Christian and don’t want to hear the Good News, you are a cruel bigot who wants people to go to Hell.

* please consider opening your heart to Jesus. He Loves you and will never leave you. You don’t have to be perfect, and all you have to do to claim His amazing gift is this:

“Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior.“

Amen.

If you really believe this stuff, then an appeal on a public internet forum does not fulfill your obligation to spread the Good News and you wouldn't worry about being seen as a whack job.

or maybe you're a troll just trying to make Christians look bad.

Yes, I was futilely trying to answer a question asked in bad faith by op. This thread really isn’t about whatever topic op pretended it was, it was his/her daily attack on Christianity.

Is Christianity about being hesitant to spread the good news for fear of being perceived as a whack job? Jesus gave his life for his beliefs -- so have many others. And pp is afraid of looking bad to people who are not saved.

[Anonymous]

Just a reminder: Even the most fervent theists are atheist about 2,999+ other religions. People who describe themselves as atheist simply add one more to that list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder: Even the most fervent theists are atheist about 2,999+ other religions. People who describe themselves as atheist simply add one more to that list.

Not really -- they all believe in God, just different types of Gods or different iterations of the same god. For example, RC versus Episcopalian vs Lutheran - very similar with a few different, but very important (to them, at least) beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder: Even the most fervent theists are atheist about 2,999+ other religions. People who describe themselves as atheist simply add one more to that list.

Not really -- they all believe in God, just different types of Gods or different iterations of the same god. For example, RC versus Episcopalian vs Lutheran - very similar with a few different, but very important (to them, at least) beliefs.

Different types of gods. Exactly my point. Also, why do you only speak of Christianity? You know there are thousands of non-Christian religions you don't believe in also, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder: Even the most fervent theists are atheist about 2,999+ other religions. People who describe themselves as atheist simply add one more to that list.

Not really -- they all believe in God, just different types of Gods or different iterations of the same god. For example, RC versus Episcopalian vs Lutheran - very similar with a few different, but very important (to them, at least) beliefs.

Different types of gods. Exactly my point. Also, why do you only speak of Christianity? You know there are thousands of non-Christian religions you don't believe in also, right?

Just pointing out that even people of the same basic religion have split off from each other because of slightly different beliefs.