I'm an Anti-Vaxxer, Which Vax Should I Get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm on an anti-body medication so I was very worried. I hate you cannot be concerned or talk about it here and the vaccine bullies have taken over.

I wanted JJ but with the issues, there was no way I was taking it. I was waiting too as like you. I've just been home and let others go first. I ended up doing Pfizer last week and it wasn't a huge deal. I slept for a few hours, bad headache and sore arm. My husband got it worse with a slight fever and flu like symptoms for 24 hours but nothing like your husband and manageable. Main reason I went with Pfizer was that it was offered at the hospital with an actual doctor/health care professionals on site with an ER on location and I was only willing to do it in a hospital given I've had reactions to shots in the past.

It was DH's SECOND shot-- not his first. He was 48 hours on his back and I was afraid to leave his side. But he had no side effects at all after the first shot.

[Anonymous]

Yes , I agree, go to a hospital setting - I drove from MoCo to a MedStar hospital in Baltimore. It was painless - no waiting, very knowledgeable RNs both times, etc. I think I would have panicked at a mass vaccine site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m same OP. But yes will get this vaccine. I’m not anti vaxx tho .... just very thorough in my thought process of modern medicine. I have seen many drs not take their “do no harm” oath seriously enough.

I’m leaning towards J&J but I have no tendency towards blood clots ... and I was under the impression the mRNA also have a clot risk. Although rare for all around.

I would say Pfizer over Moderna, no question

I worry if there are other reasons why they pulled the JJ off the market. I like the one and done but it just seems risky. My doctors couldn't give me advice either way with the medications I'm on as the medications are new, few people on them and the vaccines are new. It was very scary to take my first dose but Pfizer was fine.

They didn't pull J&J off the market - they paused it to find out more. They ended up finding 15 cases instead of 7, out of 1.4 million women. They also had time to get the word out to drs. that if a patient shows up to your office or to the ER, do not treat the traditional way.

That said, there are 2 other great options out there so I'm not pushing J&J, just wanted to clarify that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff would call me an anti-vaxxer. I call myself vaccine-conscious. DH is in the foreign service so I've been vaccinated for typhoid, yellow fever, and all sorts of things no one is normally vaccinated for. But, yes I'm nervous about new, unapproved, experimental vaccines that don't have 2+ years of research. And I read every crazy report (the latest one is on heart enlargement?)

Anyway, it really hasn't impacted me because I never leave the house. (I was laid off at the beginning of Covid.) But we are going to Seattle this summer at the end of July which is the middle of an outbreak right now so DH has put his foot down and I need to get a first-shot vaccine no later than the end of May. DH already got the Moderna (with terrible near-death side effects which then scared me even more.)

I won't do J&J -- I have a high risk of blood clots.

So my only options are Pfizer or Moderna. Please do NOT say "either." That does not calm me down. I need a reason for getting one vaccine over the other. I know both have a claimed (maybe false) risk of heart enlargement. But I know that Covid is a lot more dangerous. I know both are mRNA vaccines but what are the differences between them? I'm leaning toward Pfizer because of DH's experience with Moderna (2-days out cold in bed, sweating and pale and nearly unconscious the entire time -- could not stay awake).

TIA!

What do you mean "near death" side effects? Clotting? Some actual medical condition? Or did he just feel like hell? While the latter would no doubt be miserable, that's really not what near death should be used for.

Seriously, can you start your own topic to bully people about the vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m same OP. But yes will get this vaccine. I’m not anti vaxx tho .... just very thorough in my thought process of modern medicine. I have seen many drs not take their “do no harm” oath seriously enough.

I’m leaning towards J&J but I have no tendency towards blood clots ... and I was under the impression the mRNA also have a clot risk. Although rare for all around.

I would say Pfizer over Moderna, no question

I worry if there are other reasons why they pulled the JJ off the market. I like the one and done but it just seems risky. My doctors couldn't give me advice either way with the medications I'm on as the medications are new, few people on them and the vaccines are new. It was very scary to take my first dose but Pfizer was fine.

They didn't pull J&J off the market - they paused it to find out more. They ended up finding 15 cases instead of 7, out of 1.4 million women. They also had time to get the word out to drs. that if a patient shows up to your office or to the ER, do not treat the traditional way.

That said, there are 2 other great options out there so I'm not pushing J&J, just wanted to clarify that.

15 is 15 too many for me. Its easy to minimize it when its not you having the reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here.

THANK YOU!!!

I love that there is overwhelm support for Pfizer, which is where I was leaning anyway and I love the reasons given -- less side-effects, quicker (only 3 weeks apart), more established company, etc. It makes me feel more comfortable that there is a clear front-runner.

And, I love the idea to get it done at an actual doctors office or medical center or hospital. I will do that!

THANK YOU ALL!!!

Go to a hospital vs. doctor. A doctors office may not have everything available except an episode pen for reactions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to take you seriously when you use "near-death" to describe what sounds like a typical man-cold. Useless drama.

Yup. Wtf?

That is not typical and normal and it was scary for OP. You are a vicious person if you cannot allow her to be concerned and allow it to be ok she was upset at her husband being that sick. Start your own thread to attack and bully people.

[Anonymous]

Heck yes for Pfizer. Moderna is the devil. I have had 4 employees out sick this week with Moderna next day illness. All of them got better in 24-36hrs, but I had Moderna and I was fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heck yes for Pfizer. Moderna is the devil. I have had 4 employees out sick this week with Moderna next day illness. All of them got better in 24-36hrs, but I had Moderna and I was fine.

Whoops. I had Pfizer and was fine. My mom complains about everything and gets ALL the side effects with most meds and she was fine with Pfizer too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m same OP. But yes will get this vaccine. I’m not anti vaxx tho .... just very thorough in my thought process of modern medicine. I have seen many drs not take their “do no harm” oath seriously enough.

I’m leaning towards J&J but I have no tendency towards blood clots ... and I was under the impression the mRNA also have a clot risk. Although rare for all around.

I would say Pfizer over Moderna, no question

What doctor actually "does no harm?" As a goal, it made sense when there wasn't much medicine could do, but it is entirely not appropriate anymore. Everything is benefit-risk analysis.

Can you think of a subspecialty or other part of the medical profession that actually does no harm?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m same OP. But yes will get this vaccine. I’m not anti vaxx tho .... just very thorough in my thought process of modern medicine. I have seen many drs not take their “do no harm” oath seriously enough.

I’m leaning towards J&J but I have no tendency towards blood clots ... and I was under the impression the mRNA also have a clot risk. Although rare for all around.

I would say Pfizer over Moderna, no question

I worry if there are other reasons why they pulled the JJ off the market. I like the one and done but it just seems risky. My doctors couldn't give me advice either way with the medications I'm on as the medications are new, few people on them and the vaccines are new. It was very scary to take my first dose but Pfizer was fine.

They didn't pull J&J off the market - they paused it to find out more. They ended up finding 15 cases instead of 7, out of 1.4 million women. They also had time to get the word out to drs. that if a patient shows up to your office or to the ER, do not treat the traditional way.

That said, there are 2 other great options out there so I'm not pushing J&J, just wanted to clarify that.

15 is 15 too many for me. Its easy to minimize it when its not you having the reaction.

I don’t want to sidetrack bc this is actually the most helpful I’ve seen of ANY thread, but am I wrong to think there have also been clotting issues with the other vaccines ? I have no clarity why this was a J&J issue and it was put on pause, as I’ve read the other vaccines also had similar rare occurrences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to take you seriously when you use "near-death" to describe what sounds like a typical man-cold. Useless drama.

Yup. Wtf?

That is not typical and normal and it was scary for OP. You are a vicious person if you cannot allow her to be concerned and allow it to be ok she was upset at her husband being that sick. Start your own thread to attack and bully people.

She can be concerned, and it is ok she was upset. It's not okay to use hyperbolic language to describe it in this context on a public forum that is this visible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff would call me an anti-vaxxer. I call myself vaccine-conscious. DH is in the foreign service so I've been vaccinated for typhoid, yellow fever, and all sorts of things no one is normally vaccinated for. But, yes I'm nervous about new, unapproved, experimental vaccines that don't have 2+ years of research. And I read every crazy report (the latest one is on heart enlargement?)

Anyway, it really hasn't impacted me because I never leave the house. (I was laid off at the beginning of Covid.) But we are going to Seattle this summer at the end of July which is the middle of an outbreak right now so DH has put his foot down and I need to get a first-shot vaccine no later than the end of May. DH already got the Moderna (with terrible near-death side effects which then scared me even more.)

I won't do J&J -- I have a high risk of blood clots.

So my only options are Pfizer or Moderna. Please do NOT say "either." That does not calm me down. I need a reason for getting one vaccine over the other. I know both have a claimed (maybe false) risk of heart enlargement. But I know that Covid is a lot more dangerous. I know both are mRNA vaccines but what are the differences between them? I'm leaning toward Pfizer because of DH's experience with Moderna (2-days out cold in bed, sweating and pale and nearly unconscious the entire time -- could not stay awake).

TIA!

What do you mean "near death" side effects? Clotting? Some actual medical condition? Or did he just feel like hell? While the latter would no doubt be miserable, that's really not what near death should be used for.

Seriously, can you start your own topic to bully people about the vaccine.

You have quite an expansive definition of what constitutes "bullying."

[Anonymous]

I am similar, OP. I got J&J, before the issues, but I would still get it now too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am similar, OP. I got J&J, before the issues, but I would still get it now too.

Also, I am a factor v carrier FWIW. I'd still get it again. The risk is essentially 0.