Ludlow-Taylor info / review / performance

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Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

[Anonymous]

We are entering our third year at L-T and have found it to be a great experience throughout. ECE is superb. I don't think there's much use in fighting among the good Capitol Hill public schools - Brent, Maury and LT are roughly equivalent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

Maury usually has class sizes in that range.

Where did the self contained classes go? That’s a shame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

DP. I do think self-contained classes should have a fixed home. They should be seen as part of the school, not a complete disconnected program. And they should be widely available so you can access one in your neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are entering our third year at L-T and have found it to be a great experience throughout. ECE is superb. I don't think there's much use in fighting among the good Capitol Hill public schools - Brent, Maury and LT are roughly equivalent.

Agreed.

This is kind of off topic but why is that Payne and Tyler get much less attention on this forum?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

Lol it seems you don’t. They are absolutely needed, every year self contained goes OVER the class cap size. And if the program is moved these children still are FORCIBLY removed from their friends and THEIR school. They do not all end up at the same place. Not to mention paras and teachers lose their jobs and must look for a new one.

Ohhh OOB kids huh? Like there’s none in gen ed.
No, those schools aren’t disgusting because they never had one. What also gross is you trying to justify the displacement of students who deserve to be there too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are entering our third year at L-T and have found it to be a great experience throughout. ECE is superb. I don't think there's much use in fighting among the good Capitol Hill public schools - Brent, Maury and LT are roughly equivalent.

Agreed.

This is kind of off topic but why is that Payne and Tyler get much less attention on this forum?

Because they have too many Black children. These people will try and deny it but it’s true. Tyler would have more white children but there are a lot of involved Black families there. I distinctly remember a few years back there were a bunch of white families advocating to make the school all Spanish immersion and many Black families were against that, asking why they couldn’t do that in their schools (as in predominantly white schools). Because they knew in doing this their school would become more and more white, and area more gentrified than it already is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are entering our third year at L-T and have found it to be a great experience throughout. ECE is superb. I don't think there's much use in fighting among the good Capitol Hill public schools - Brent, Maury and LT are roughly equivalent.

Agreed.

This is kind of off topic but why is that Payne and Tyler get much less attention on this forum?

I think fewer DCUM posters have kids at Tyler/Payne because both have catchments that aren't as gentrified (same reason you don't hear as much about Miner or JO Wilson). I've heard good things about Tyler (we go by the playground a fair amount), haven't met many folks from Payne, but also I live in the LT catchment so they're pretty far afield. Maybe people who live on the SE side / "Hill East" have more thoughts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

Lol it seems you don’t. They are absolutely needed, every year self contained goes OVER the class cap size. And if the program is moved these children still are FORCIBLY removed from their friends and THEIR school. They do not all end up at the same place. Not to mention paras and teachers lose their jobs and must look for a new one.

Ohhh OOB kids huh? Like there’s none in gen ed.
No, those schools aren’t disgusting because they never had one. What also gross is you trying to justify the displacement of students who deserve to be there too.

When they closed the ECE self-contained classroom , they actually didn’t have to move any kids from the school who were already there, so I assume that’s why they chose that classroom at that time. The assistant in the classroom actually became an assistant in another (gen ed) PK class at the school. The head teacher moved to a different DCPS school.

In any case, many schools have dropped self-contained classrooms as they’ve become more enrolled, given space constraints there’s not much other choice. You can’t not have sufficient classes to serve your IB pop, so if you can serve your self-contained IB pop, I don’t think there’s as strong an obligation to not yet enrolled OOB kids especially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are entering our third year at L-T and have found it to be a great experience throughout. ECE is superb. I don't think there's much use in fighting among the good Capitol Hill public schools - Brent, Maury and LT are roughly equivalent.

Agreed.

This is kind of off topic but why is that Payne and Tyler get much less attention on this forum?

I think fewer DCUM posters have kids at Tyler/Payne because both have catchments that aren't as gentrified (same reason you don't hear as much about Miner or JO Wilson). I've heard good things about Tyler (we go by the playground a fair amount), haven't met many folks from Payne, but also I live in the LT catchment so they're pretty far afield. Maybe people who live on the SE side / "Hill East" have more thoughts.

I actually have a bunch of friends with kids at Payne and they are all pretty happy. The oldest kids are in 1st now and are planning to return for next year. I will be interested to see if they remain satisfied as they approach the older ES years, but I hope they do. It’s great to see other local schools thrive. Tyler I’ve heard mixed things about. We have friends happy in the Spanish program and others that have lotteried into other Hill schools. Lots of people really don’t like the social and admin dynamics of the two different programs at the school and don’t think it works well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

Lol it seems you don’t. They are absolutely needed, every year self contained goes OVER the class cap size. And if the program is moved these children still are FORCIBLY removed from their friends and THEIR school. They do not all end up at the same place. Not to mention paras and teachers lose their jobs and must look for a new one.

Ohhh OOB kids huh? Like there’s none in gen ed.
No, those schools aren’t disgusting because they never had one. What also gross is you trying to justify the displacement of students who deserve to be there too.

When they closed the ECE self-contained classroom , they actually didn’t have to move any kids from the school who were already there, so I assume that’s why they chose that classroom at that time. The assistant in the classroom actually became an assistant in another (gen ed) PK class at the school. The head teacher moved to a different DCPS school.

In any case, many schools have dropped self-contained classrooms as they’ve become more enrolled, given space constraints there’s not much other choice. You can’t not have sufficient classes to serve your IB pop, so if you can serve your self-contained IB pop, I don’t think there’s as strong an obligation to not yet enrolled OOB kids especially.

See that’s the problem with your logic right there, you think only a certain kind of child deserves to go to that school. And you actually have no idea if every student was OOB. What about them? Because they have high needs they don’t deserve to go to that school huh?

And space? Don’t make me laugh, maybe it’s different at wealthier schools, and since this school had more than the average 3 self contained classes so correct me if I’m wrong, but you would never place a gen ed class in an old self contained room. Why? Because they are SO SMALL. Literally 40-60% smaller, no way that is a reason.

Seems there’s not a ‘strong obligation’ to students with special needs that require more specialized instruction. I do think it’s disgusting still. I’m so thankful I didn’t take a teaching position at that school, that is not something I ever want to be aligned with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of LT kids are are attending SH for middle school? Are families staying? Or peeling off for charters?

The percentage is dropping as the school gentrifies, but it’s still a solid majority. I believe L-T lost roughly 25% of kids last year between 4th and 5th, which is still substantially less than Brent/Maury/SWS, which all lose more than 50%. That said, part of L-T’s gentrification was just a huge influx of IB kids who previously went elsewhere. For years, L-T has been adding a full class per grade. Next year’s 5th grade is planned to be the first 5th grade year with 3 classes and the current 4th grade is the oldest majority IB grade, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.

One big plus of L-T is its small class size relative to NW schools, Maury & Brent. It made a conscious decision about 5 years ago to expand to three classes once class sizes hit 23/24 instead of keeping 2, big, almost entirely IB classes. Nearly all L-T classes max out in the 20-22 student range. Recently they’ve had to drop a few self-contained classrooms because of space constraints and next year it is likely that two specials will have to share a classroom or one special will operate from a cart. It depends a little bit on how budgeting stuff shakes out and what sort of cohort mixing restraints remain in place (i.e., whether in person specials ever become possible).

That last part is disgusting. Dropping self-contained classrooms FOR general education. If I were one of those families I’d absolutely try and sue.

What? Do you even understand how self-contained classroom assignments work? DCPS makes that decision and the classrooms get moved to another school if they’re needed. There is still a self-contained classroom covering every grade except PK and those classrooms all have OOB kids in them, so it’s not like theyre not accommodating IB students. L-T still has a bunch of self-contained classrooms. Many DCPS schools have none. Are those schools disgusting?

Lol it seems you don’t. They are absolutely needed, every year self contained goes OVER the class cap size. And if the program is moved these children still are FORCIBLY removed from their friends and THEIR school. They do not all end up at the same place. Not to mention paras and teachers lose their jobs and must look for a new one.

Ohhh OOB kids huh? Like there’s none in gen ed.
No, those schools aren’t disgusting because they never had one. What also gross is you trying to justify the displacement of students who deserve to be there too.

When they closed the ECE self-contained classroom , they actually didn’t have to move any kids from the school who were already there, so I assume that’s why they chose that classroom at that time. The assistant in the classroom actually became an assistant in another (gen ed) PK class at the school. The head teacher moved to a different DCPS school.

In any case, many schools have dropped self-contained classrooms as they’ve become more enrolled, given space constraints there’s not much other choice. You can’t not have sufficient classes to serve your IB pop, so if you can serve your self-contained IB pop, I don’t think there’s as strong an obligation to not yet enrolled OOB kids especially.

See that’s the problem with your logic right there, you think only a certain kind of child deserves to go to that school. And you actually have no idea if every student was OOB. What about them? Because they have high needs they don’t deserve to go to that school huh?

And space? Don’t make me laugh, maybe it’s different at wealthier schools, and since this school had more than the average 3 self contained classes so correct me if I’m wrong, but you would never place a gen ed class in an old self contained room. Why? Because they are SO SMALL. Literally 40-60% smaller, no way that is a reason.

Seems there’s not a ‘strong obligation’ to students with special needs that require more specialized instruction. I do think it’s disgusting still. I’m so thankful I didn’t take a teaching position at that school, that is not something I ever want to be aligned with.

I think kids who live IB for a school have more of a right to go there. It’s the entire foundation of the IB system and not, I think, terribly controversial. L-T’s self-contained classrooms are a variety of sizes from normal classroom sized to half classroom sized, but the half classroom sized one only has 8 students, so that doesn’t seem out of line. The self-contained classrooms that left were 100% switched into gen Ed classrooms and L-T’s classrooms are mostly reasonably sized, although the 4th grade classrooms are a bit smaller. (The 4th grade classrooms were the only ones that could accommodate 20+ students with the 3 feet spacing requirements). Again though, the decision to remove the ECE self-contained classroom was made by DCPS because of space constraints. SWS got a new ECE self-contained classroom relatively recently, so maybe that was part of the calculus. But again, L-T has an above average number of self-contained classrooms, so I think it’s a very strange school to pick on re: not accommodating kids who need those classrooms.

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^Sorry, only the 4th grade classrooms COULDN’T accommodate normal size classes with the new spacing requirements.