Consultant for swimming/scholarships

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are so many short people swimmers? Have you ever heard of a short person getting a swim scholarship?

What? Are you on the wrong thread?

No, I am just wondering why so many swimmers are short. They can't possibly be very good for very long right?

Where are you getting the idea that “so many swimmers are short?” And what does that have to do with this thread? You sound like a loon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that boys reach their peak performance in swimming at a later age than girls. It is hard for boys to be recruited as seniors, much less as juniors. Girls, on the other hand, often reach their top speeds by 16 if not earlier (not that they can’t continue to get faster with intensive training - just that they have reached their peak physical strength/size). Many of the top girls are committed to top D1 programs early in their junior year (with scholarships). Male swimmers often continue to grow/gain strength well into their early twenties.

This is true, but it’s not the problem. Coaches understand this phenomenon and can recruit accordingly. Regardless, because of title 9, there are many more scholarship opportunities for women swimmers than there are for men. In addition there are a number of Division I schools that have women’s swimming but no men’s swimming (JMU, University of Richmond, University of Miami to name just a few).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are so many short people swimmers? Have you ever heard of a short person getting a swim scholarship?

What? Are you on the wrong thread?

No, I am just wondering why so many swimmers are short. They can't possibly be very good for very long right?

Where are you getting the idea that “so many swimmers are short?” And what does that have to do with this thread? You sound like a loon.

for the 8 and unders, short kids tend to be more coordinated. They are also faster at that age. By high school, there are coordinated tall kids and they are faster. Katie Ledecky is 6 feet tall, Michael Phelps is 6'4. Being short is not an advantage in swimming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that boys reach their peak performance in swimming at a later age than girls. It is hard for boys to be recruited as seniors, much less as juniors. Girls, on the other hand, often reach their top speeds by 16 if not earlier (not that they can’t continue to get faster with intensive training - just that they have reached their peak physical strength/size). Many of the top girls are committed to top D1 programs early in their junior year (with scholarships). Male swimmers often continue to grow/gain strength well into their early twenties.

This is true, but it’s not the problem. Coaches understand this phenomenon and can recruit accordingly. Regardless, because of title 9, there are many more scholarship opportunities for women swimmers than there are for men. In addition there are a number of Division I schools that have women’s swimming but no men’s swimming (JMU, University of Richmond, University of Miami to name just a few).

blame football teams spending millions and carrying 85 scholarships. All of that has to be offset

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that boys reach their peak performance in swimming at a later age than girls. It is hard for boys to be recruited as seniors, much less as juniors. Girls, on the other hand, often reach their top speeds by 16 if not earlier (not that they can’t continue to get faster with intensive training - just that they have reached their peak physical strength/size). Many of the top girls are committed to top D1 programs early in their junior year (with scholarships). Male swimmers often continue to grow/gain strength well into their early twenties.

This is true, but it’s not the problem. Coaches understand this phenomenon and can recruit accordingly. Regardless, because of title 9, there are many more scholarship opportunities for women swimmers than there are for men. In addition there are a number of Division I schools that have women’s swimming but no men’s swimming (JMU, University of Richmond, University of Miami to name just a few).

blame football teams spending millions and carrying 85 scholarships. All of that has to be offset

For sure! FYI-I have DD swimming division I next year. I am familiar with her class and know that many boys that swim at her level end up swimming Division III because there are many more Division I opportunities for women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that boys reach their peak performance in swimming at a later age than girls. It is hard for boys to be recruited as seniors, much less as juniors. Girls, on the other hand, often reach their top speeds by 16 if not earlier (not that they can’t continue to get faster with intensive training - just that they have reached their peak physical strength/size). Many of the top girls are committed to top D1 programs early in their junior year (with scholarships). Male swimmers often continue to grow/gain strength well into their early twenties.

This is true, but it’s not the problem. Coaches understand this phenomenon and can recruit accordingly. Regardless, because of title 9, there are many more scholarship opportunities for women swimmers than there are for men. In addition there are a number of Division I schools that have women’s swimming but no men’s swimming (JMU, University of Richmond, University of Miami to name just a few).

blame football teams spending millions and carrying 85 scholarships. All of that has to be offset

swimming brings in how much revenue for the school?

How much does football?

OK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Yes, a scholarship counselor is a waste of money in swimming and no, those two things don’t make him a lock in any way shape or form for a swim scholarship. Don’t even think Olympians necessarily get scholarships. Any swim parent would be thrilled to have a tech suit ‘covered’ so that makes no sense. It’s a couple hundred bucks you’d automatically save. They can only be worn a few times. Much better gift. It’s great that the kid has a fan in you, but as an outsider it sounds like you don’t have a great handle on what swimming is really like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Yes, a scholarship counselor is a waste of money in swimming and no, those two things don’t make him a lock in any way shape or form for a swim scholarship. Don’t even think Olympians necessarily get scholarships. Any swim parent would be thrilled to have a tech suit ‘covered’ so that makes no sense. It’s a couple hundred bucks you’d automatically save. They can only be worn a few times. Much better gift. It’s great that the kid has a fan in you, but as an outsider it sounds like you don’t have a great handle on what swimming is really like.

I don't think the two services referenced above would be a waste of money. They might help him identify the right programs to target in his college search. That doesn't mean he will end up with any scholarship money. But, many kids are thrilled to keep swimming for free in college. The services referenced above and help him find schools that match his academic interests to the right swimming level. https://collegeswimmingguide.com/ Collegeswimingguide.com is the one my family member used and we found it valuable. There is a lot "self help material" available there for a relatively affordable membership fee; and counseling sessions with the owner are also available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Are you sure you’re not the parent? I can’t imagine knowing the names of specific meets to be able to regurgitate them, unless my kid was swimming in them. I might have said, “He made it to some big meets- and did well.” But to know NCSA? Doesn’t sound like anyone but a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Are you sure you’re not the parent? I can’t imagine knowing the names of specific meets to be able to regurgitate them, unless my kid was swimming in them. I might have said, “He made it to some big meets- and did well.” But to know NCSA? Doesn’t sound like anyone but a parent.

NP, but you must not have close friends and family members who are into sports. I can tell you my niece’s PR in every track and cross-country event she’s competed in and know which competition she was at when she got them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that boys reach their peak performance in swimming at a later age than girls. It is hard for boys to be recruited as seniors, much less as juniors. Girls, on the other hand, often reach their top speeds by 16 if not earlier (not that they can’t continue to get faster with intensive training - just that they have reached their peak physical strength/size). Many of the top girls are committed to top D1 programs early in their junior year (with scholarships). Male swimmers often continue to grow/gain strength well into their early twenties.

This is true, but it’s not the problem. Coaches understand this phenomenon and can recruit accordingly. Regardless, because of title 9, there are many more scholarship opportunities for women swimmers than there are for men. In addition there are a number of Division I schools that have women’s swimming but no men’s swimming (JMU, University of Richmond, University of Miami to name just a few).

blame football teams spending millions and carrying 85 scholarships. All of that has to be offset

swimming brings in how much revenue for the school?

How much does football?

OK

I have a daughter - football is great for proving girls opportunities in sports that have been cut on the men’s side

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Are you sure you’re not the parent? I can’t imagine knowing the names of specific meets to be able to regurgitate them, unless my kid was swimming in them. I might have said, “He made it to some big meets- and did well.” But to know NCSA? Doesn’t sound like anyone but a parent.

NP, but you must not have close friends and family members who are into sports. I can tell you my niece’s PR in every track and cross-country event she’s competed in and know which competition she was at when she got them.

Actually, I do. I still don’t know the specifics of my family’s or friend’s kids’ sports (specific) details.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Collegeswimmingguide.com membership. It’s a good resource and the woman who runs it does one-on-one counseling sessions. I have a senior (girl). Qualifying for NCSA jr. Nationals will not get you into a Division I program that offers any scholarships as a boy. Finishing there in the top 16 gets you closer (more likely top 8 this year as meet is much smaller). But division 3 programs recruit as do some unfounded Division 1 programs. If he wants to swim and it’s not about scholarship, the above reference can help!!

+1 I was going to recommend this membership, which I believe is good for all of HS no matter when you get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His parents have the tech suits covered but great suggestion! I think he has a decent shot. He qualified for the USA swim winter nationals, and the NCSA junior nationals, so he’s definitely got some potential- no suggestions for names? Waste of money?

Are you sure you’re not the parent? I can’t imagine knowing the names of specific meets to be able to regurgitate them, unless my kid was swimming in them. I might have said, “He made it to some big meets- and did well.” But to know NCSA? Doesn’t sound like anyone but a parent.

I’m a aunt, and I know all the events my nieces are in.

[Anonymous]

Consultants are sometime used in other sports that are more skilled based. Think soccer and lacrosse. Those consultants develop videos to send to potential college coaches. For a swimmer, their meet times and strokes can be followed online. Maybe there is a clinic or camp for the high end skill set swimmers when where the top end college coaches would be attending? My DS was a swimmer thru HS and college, but not at this level. Collegeconfidential.com has an athletic recruit forum that might offer some help. USA Swimming could be another source.