APS - how to get rid of ineffectual principal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS got rid of a principal at our elementary school. Or convinced her to move on. She was not effective and was at a school in need of improvement. She was a nice person but just didn’t have the leadership skills or the savvy to understand what the community needed. They brought in a veteran to replace her.

If this was about five years ago, it was our school that lost our beloved principal to your school. It was hard but in the end happy to see your school doing better now! She’s fantastic!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s been years. Absolutely useless. Covid response has been limited.

Moving forward we need a leader with unique, problem-solving skills. This individual has proven to be a follower, not a leader.

Advice please.

Your description is too vague. Without specifics there’s no reason to think that the principal is the problem here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s been years. Absolutely useless. Covid response has been limited.

Moving forward we need a leader with unique, problem-solving skills. This individual has proven to be a follower, not a leader.

Advice please.

Your description is too vague. Without specifics there’s no reason to think that the principal is the problem here.

I’m not sure what “CoVID” response PP was expecting, either. That comes from central office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS got rid of a principal at our elementary school. Or convinced her to move on. She was not effective and was at a school in need of improvement. She was a nice person but just didn’t have the leadership skills or the savvy to understand what the community needed. They brought in a veteran to replace her.

APS is a small system with very involved parents. There’s no way they’d keep an administrator who was really ineffective around for very long.

Hahahahaha.... yeah right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS got rid of a principal at our elementary school. Or convinced her to move on. She was not effective and was at a school in need of improvement. She was a nice person but just didn’t have the leadership skills or the savvy to understand what the community needed. They brought in a veteran to replace her.

APS is a small system with very involved parents. There’s no way they’d keep an administrator who was really ineffective around for very long.

You seem to think that all schools have similar parent populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

[Anonymous]

We have been trying to remove our principal for a few years, that person has ruined our great school. If you know how how to remove a principal please share

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

Pretty sure we all know who you are, too!

[Anonymous]

A few principals in APS have demonstrated that mistreatment of staff is not enough for removal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

Pretty sure we all know who you are, too!

I don't. Spill the beans please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have been trying to remove our principal for a few years, that person has ruined our great school. If you know how how to remove a principal please share

Principal removed in the school discussed above because SOLs plummeted under her watch in a FRL school. She dropped a lot of supports out in by previous principal. Nice, but tone deaf and in over her head , and alienated a lot of good long time staff. But if it’s a bad principal at an OK performing school I think it’s harder. And also, it was not parents who ousted this principal. APS finally saw it and she was encouraged to move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

Pretty sure we all know who you are, too!

I don't. Spill the beans please.

There’s a lawyer all over these forums who makes a living suing the school system. From what I can tell, no parent request is too outrageous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have been trying to remove our principal for a few years, that person has ruined our great school. If you know how how to remove a principal please share

Principal removed in the school discussed above because SOLs plummeted under her watch in a FRL school. She dropped a lot of supports out in by previous principal. Nice, but tone deaf and in over her head , and alienated a lot of good long time staff. But if it’s a bad principal at an OK performing school I think it’s harder. And also, it was not parents who ousted this principal. APS finally saw it and she was encouraged to move on.

Parents are never the ones to “oust” a principal. You are not employers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

Thank you. APS has fantastic legal representation so no, they will not pay for music appreciation and horse back riding but it's cute that you think that's what parents are angry about when their kids are not being taught to read, write, spell and do math by a N. ARL Es b/c the principal is a very bad seed.

Anyway, OP is stuck with theirs if we are stuck with ours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"ineffectual" is not going to get rid of a principal. There's a principal who has had multiple citations against them for speaking inappropriately to parents, treating some kids inappropriately, for violating federal laws, and the school system has been sued because of this principal. But, they are covered in teflon and they are still in place. So "ineffectual" is going to get anybody removed if actual cash MONEY lawsuit settlements doesn't get them removed.

Some parents are nuts, and try to sue the school system because they want them to pay for expensive private schools. They argue that their kid needs music therapy or to learn out on the woods. Maybe the principal said, hey, we can’t provide music therapy. We don’t do that. That has nothing to do with how effective a principal is.

Pretty sure I know who this one is. Lawsuits because the school denies special education services. There are multiple cases so it's not a one time thing. They absolutely need to pay for private school in these cases.

Pretty sure we all know who you are, too!

I don't. Spill the beans please.

There’s a lawyer all over these forums who makes a living suing the school system. From what I can tell, no parent request is too outrageous.

We are not talking about one kid, one family, one school or even..."no parent request is too outrageous." It's very interesting that because an experience is beyond yours, it's unimaginable that schools here are failing parents but three are that I know about from parents, not from any lawyer. OP is still not going to oust the principal for covid response issues.