Outdoor lunch petition in APS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for sharing this. At many of the middle schools there will be indoor unmasked lunches for 35 minutes! All of the schools have a plethora of outdoor space, so that is not an issue. At one middle, WMS I believe, a parent was told if they didn't like it, they can check their kid out for lunch each day. That school has both the space and dollars to make outdoor lunch happen.

Also, there are no air filters/HEPA filters in the cafeterias. Would you send your kids to a restaurant unmaked with 100 other patrons who have not been vaccinated?

Yes, I would because the filters aren't going to make that much difference. The space is large and kids will spread out. I would be more worried kids would share food and things like that vs. actually the fact that they are breathing.

And I laughed when the petition said "Poorly ventilated" - they make it sounds like these are some small dingy rooms in the sub basements of 50 yr old buildings with no actual HVAC system.

They are very comical, the ventilation people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

That's the thing though. The vent ppl will use this to try to get schools closed. They are insane and drunk on self--righteousness. I was originally a part of their group but then they went overboard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

That's the thing though. The vent ppl will use this to try to get schools closed. They are insane and drunk on self--righteousness. I was originally a part of their group but then they went overboard.

I'm the poster who noted the logical inconsistency in the petition, and this is part of my concern. The person who drafted it is hell bent on keeping schools closed, so I don't fully trust her motivations here or how she will use this petition if she gets a lot of signatures effectively saying that outdoor lunch is a necessity from parents who may not think through the implications of what they're signing.

[Anonymous]

I’m asking seriously: when has a petition ever done anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

That's the thing though. The vent ppl will use this to try to get schools closed. They are insane and drunk on self--righteousness. I was originally a part of their group but then they went overboard.

I'm the poster who noted the logical inconsistency in the petition, and this is part of my concern. The person who drafted it is hell bent on keeping schools closed, so I don't fully trust her motivations here or how she will use this petition if she gets a lot of signatures effectively saying that outdoor lunch is a necessity from parents who may not think through the implications of what they're signing.

why would someone bother putting together a petition for outdoor lunch if they wanted to keep schools closed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

Not sure why you find this funny. I'm keeping my kid home because his school is putting them all into a cafeteria together. Maybe your kids are in private or in a school with better lunch plans so this is amusing to you. But not to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

Aaah yes, the people who moved to private schools with their smaller schools, smaller classes, actual contact tracing and notification, testing, outdoor lunch, requirements to quarantine after travel etc. who then try to tell those of us in public that it's "safe enough" for the unprivileged masses to open a 30,000 school system without any of these things.

Seems like a weird obsession for these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

That's the thing though. The vent ppl will use this to try to get schools closed. They are insane and drunk on self--righteousness. I was originally a part of their group but then they went overboard.

I'm the poster who noted the logical inconsistency in the petition, and this is part of my concern. The person who drafted it is hell bent on keeping schools closed, so I don't fully trust her motivations here or how she will use this petition if she gets a lot of signatures effectively saying that outdoor lunch is a necessity from parents who may not think through the implications of what they're signing.

why would someone bother putting together a petition for outdoor lunch if they wanted to keep schools closed?

Maybe someone asked them to because they weren't comfortable putting their own name out there.

Maybe they see the writing on the wall that we are going back in the fall and they want this in place before their kids go back.

Maybe they give a flying funk about families other than their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny that the organizer of this is keeping her kids home. The irony is that she is always attacking anyone who pulled kids from APS to send to private. She seems to think those parents should stay quiet and not advocate to open APS. Does she have self-awareness. But whatever, I’ll sign her petition so long as it doesn’t delay reopening timeline. These things go nowhere anyway.

That's the thing though. The vent ppl will use this to try to get schools closed. They are insane and drunk on self--righteousness. I was originally a part of their group but then they went overboard.

I'm the poster who noted the logical inconsistency in the petition, and this is part of my concern. The person who drafted it is hell bent on keeping schools closed, so I don't fully trust her motivations here or how she will use this petition if she gets a lot of signatures effectively saying that outdoor lunch is a necessity from parents who may not think through the implications of what they're signing.

why would someone bother putting together a petition for outdoor lunch if they wanted to keep schools closed?

Maybe someone asked them to because they weren't comfortable putting their own name out there.

Maybe they see the writing on the wall that we are going back in the fall and they want this in place before their kids go back.

Maybe they give a flying funk about families other than their own.

Maybe they’re trying to start their own education law practice and want to promote themselves.

[Anonymous]

No matter your personal thoughts about the creator of the petition, it's absurd that 4/5 middle schools have figured it out. The one that hasn't (WMS) has the highest hybrid rates and a crap ton of outside spaces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No matter your personal thoughts about the creator of the petition, it's absurd that 4/5 middle schools have figured it out. The one that hasn't (WMS) has the highest hybrid rates and a crap ton of outside spaces.

My understanding is that the issue with Williamsburg is that they’re not certain they’ll have enough aides day-to-day to cover outdoor lunches. Because there’s greater risk of students leaving campus with outdoor lunch, they need more aides for outdoor lunch than indoor lunch. Once they have comfort on the staffing levels, I think the plan is to do more outdoor lunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No matter your personal thoughts about the creator of the petition, it's absurd that 4/5 middle schools have figured it out. The one that hasn't (WMS) has the highest hybrid rates and a crap ton of outside spaces.

My understanding is that the issue with Williamsburg is that they’re not certain they’ll have enough aides day-to-day to cover outdoor lunches. Because there’s greater risk of students leaving campus with outdoor lunch, they need more aides for outdoor lunch than indoor lunch. Once they have comfort on the staffing levels, I think the plan is to do more outdoor lunch.

That is definitely not the message that has been clearly communicated to parents. One parent has emailed the principal saying they’re willing to find parent volunteers to monitor lunch with no response. Another emailed with concerns and principal responded that they could check out their students during lunch if they were concerned about eating in the cafeteria. I personally asked a question during the town hall that was left unanswered about eating outside. We were told during the Townhall there any unanswered questions would be followed up on but they were not. Can you see why we’re frustrated?

[Anonymous]

If the issue is monitors, then why are the kids allowed to go outside for 15 minutes in the courtyard after lunch?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No matter your personal thoughts about the creator of the petition, it's absurd that 4/5 middle schools have figured it out. The one that hasn't (WMS) has the highest hybrid rates and a crap ton of outside spaces.

My understanding is that the issue with Williamsburg is that they’re not certain they’ll have enough aides day-to-day to cover outdoor lunches. Because there’s greater risk of students leaving campus with outdoor lunch, they need more aides for outdoor lunch than indoor lunch. Once they have comfort on the staffing levels, I think the plan is to do more outdoor lunch.

That is definitely not the message that has been clearly communicated to parents. One parent has emailed the principal saying they’re willing to find parent volunteers to monitor lunch with no response. Another emailed with concerns and principal responded that they could check out their students during lunch if they were concerned about eating in the cafeteria. I personally asked a question during the town hall that was left unanswered about eating outside. We were told during the Townhall there any unanswered questions would be followed up on but they were not. Can you see why we’re frustrated?

Williamsburg can’t plan on parent volunteers to staff outdoor lunch, especially not right off the bat. First, you’d all have to go through the volunteer screening process. Second, you still would need to be supervised by APS employees. Third, parent volunteers are notorious for no-showing or skipping out early, so they can’t rely on parent volunteers to provide the required staffing ratios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the issue is monitors, then why are the kids allowed to go outside for 15 minutes in the courtyard after lunch?

Why don’t you think about that for a few minutes and see if you can come up with some ideas. What are some differences between the courtyard and the sport courts/fields? How are the lunch shifts scheduled?