So, are the masks enough?

[Anonymous]

I’m a doctor and in the beginning before we started locking down our supplies in the hospital, patients were stealing things - masks (by the box), wipes, hand sanitizer, everything. So the initial delay in recommending public masking helped us stock up a bit Bc I know people would have hoarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and in the beginning before we started locking down our supplies in the hospital, patients were stealing things - masks (by the box), wipes, hand sanitizer, everything. So the initial delay in recommending public masking helped us stock up a bit Bc I know people would have hoarded.

Wow that is outrageous- stealing PPE from frontline workers who are treating Covid patients. Who would do that?
But I thought it was well reported that the reason the guidance in March did not stress masks was because of the shortage of PPE and the need to ensure medical personnel had access to them. Doctors in VA hospitals were given one mask to last a week. Some VA personnel were not given anything. Crazy. If the government had maintained stockpiles of PPE we would not have needed to issue that guidance back then Having said that the CDC has been sidelined to a large extent during this public health crisis

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/this-va-hospital-cited-misleading-data-to-restrict-mask-use-for-health-care-workers/amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want this to be political, although I fully support the protesters. But from a health perspective, don’t we have a giant test case in terms of how effective the masks are? I see most protesters wearing them. There have to be a symptomatic carriers in the crowds. Do you think there will be huge spikes in a few weeks? I’m hoping not and then we can all start going back to mostly regular life, at least outside, with masks on.

No it is not a giant test case because it was so uncontrolled. Some people had masks, some didn't, some pulled them down occasionally to yell or speak. Some were pressed close to people, some kept a distance, some were running, some were yelling. A spike in cases would mean that people were too close and there were others spreading the virus. It would not be able to say anything meaningful about masks.

The reason we have so little data about the mechanics and details of how the virus spreads (with or without masks) is because it is unethical to purposefully expose people to the virus in an experiment. Instead you have to rely on anecdotes like church services and parties and people's extremely faulty memories. And on tangential experiments like droplets from healthy people sneezing and hypothetical aerodynamics in restaurants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I hate this argument. Unfortunately this is not the first time I've heard it.

The fact that I feel the need to respond is disturbing to me.

COVID-19 is spread by respiratory droplets - not a gas. Cloth can stop respiratory droplets. Sure some can get out, but most don't.

Imagine if that person who farted, peed instead. Would the pee get on you? Nope - because the pants would stop it from spraying on you.

[Anonymous]

I'm in favor of masks in public for now. But I warn you, my own use of a N95 respirator mask which I had new in my garage almost ended in me passing out at the grocery store . It took me a while to realize I was tachypneic from its usage and probably acidotic and that the N95 wasn't for me. The blue surgical mask is much better for me.

Here's a great article on risks of masks use:

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
"Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask" ( that's his opinion of course).

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

[Anonymous]

Actual study re farts and a barrier. Also why I thinks it’s gross if you don’t wear underwear.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121900/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I hate this argument. Unfortunately this is not the first time I've heard it.

The fact that I feel the need to respond is disturbing to me.

COVID-19 is spread by respiratory droplets - not a gas. Cloth can stop respiratory droplets. Sure some can get out, but most don't.

Imagine if that person who farted, peed instead. Would the pee get on you? Nope - because the pants would stop it from spraying on you.

LOL.. if you want to get all scientific then you better go back all the way to SARS times and see how people in Asia were infected by the air in their bathroom. Long story short... The Coronavirus aka SARS and as Covid is present in the fecal matter. When people poop and flash, the poop travel via the main sewer pipes. All outgoing pipes are connected with that pipe.. the sink, the shower drain..

So when a person turned on the bathroom fan, they created a suction, a negative pressure that would pull all the stinky air from the shower drain, from the sink hole and the drain floor hole into the bathroom. Then they breath it and then they got sick.

So again, do fact check before you dismiss the fart situation because the science can not dismiss the fact that IF the virus is present in the fecal matter, and it is, then the same virus has NO reason not to be present in the fart, just as it is present in your breath.

Does it needs droplets in the breath to travel? Well.. whatever the moisture is, if it can get through the mask, you can easily assume that your fart are not entirely dry either and that enough of this can get into the air and once I is in the air and it is near your nose and in it so you can smell it, from there to breath it out and propel it ot the next person is really pure formality

Thank you very much.

Mic drop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I hate this argument. Unfortunately this is not the first time I've heard it.

The fact that I feel the need to respond is disturbing to me.

COVID-19 is spread by respiratory droplets - not a gas. Cloth can stop respiratory droplets. Sure some can get out, but most don't.

Imagine if that person who farted, peed instead. Would the pee get on you? Nope - because the pants would stop it from spraying on you.

I don't know where you did learn the intricate art of logic but I digress...

The pee in such situation will do more damage by simple act of spraying and getting it into the air through the sheer act of peeing on one's leg. Comes to pants though.. yes, they will easily stop the urine from going on your leg IF THEY ARE MADE OF STEEL.

[Anonymous]

Yes. The protesters “went first” and the burger and haircut crowd will cynically wait and see what happens. My guess is that things will be ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actual study re farts and a barrier. Also why I thinks it’s gross if you don’t wear underwear.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121900/

I tip the proverbial hat to the scientists involved.

However you forgot to add caveat lector

The research had been done in 2001 WELL before Covid 19, AND!.. in the absence of actual virus in an actual test subject.

Should the person who farted into the Petrie dish be infected with Covid 19 we would be looking at entirely different outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. The protesters “went first” and the burger and haircut crowd will cynically wait and see what happens. My guess is that things will be ok.

I very much hope so. And it is not because they did or did not wear masks. I is because at this time all points to the fact that virus is on the decline and seriously retreating, and even if.. it is much less aggressive. Part of it may be due to the fact that it mutated down, part of it due to the fact that we had a solid hot and humid weather out there and any virus would just go kaput in nanosecond outside of body. Yes, the virus is hopping in the southern hemisphere but it is also in part due to the fact that people are inside and bunched together under AC conditions for the most part. If the were all outside I would be gone there much sooner as well. The sun kills it like nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in favor of masks in public for now. But I warn you, my own use of a N95 respirator mask which I had new in my garage almost ended in me passing out at the grocery store . It took me a while to realize I was tachypneic from its usage and probably acidotic and that the N95 wasn't for me. The blue surgical mask is much better for me.

Here's a great article on risks of masks use:

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
"Dr. Russell Blaylock warns that not only do face masks fail to protect the healthy from getting sick, but they also create serious health risks to the wearer. The bottom line is that if you are not sick, you should not wear a face mask" ( that's his opinion of course).

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

I totally agree with this.

[Anonymous]

Farts cought on thermal cameras
Thank goodness smell not included with the image.










and more on YouTube to your heart's delight..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPWah3CIyPE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Farts cought on thermal cameras
Thank goodness smell not included with the image.










and more on YouTube to your heart's delight..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPWah3CIyPE

honey, it’s time to get off mommy’s computer and go to bed

[Anonymous]

Exactly. A fart can get through the clothes, not a spray of liquid poop. Keep your clothes in people. And keep your masks on.