What is point of not opening Colleges in Fall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, ina world where Memorial Day 2020 looks like this, I’m sure you are not the only one.

https://www.kmov.com/news/watch-packed-pool-party-at-lake-of-the-ozarks-shows-crowd-ignoring-social-distancing-guidelines/article_5de50ce8-9dbb-11ea-bd46-6b8e99107093.html

But most people understand in person college comes with increased risk. This issue is, is the risk worth the pay off?

OP - my point is it is less risk. My daughter would be limited to roommates and class. As opposed to 20 supermarkets a week and her Mall job when reopens. The kids are all working now. At school at least limited

And the dining hall, grocery stores and/or restaurants. Is your daughter never going to go into to for a trip to CVS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have two daughters who should be going back to college in Fall. If anything them going back to college is far safer than being home virus wise. I say that as both daughters now have lost their summer jobs. Both are doing Instcart and Doordash. It seems all their friends are in gig economy. So they are in multiple supermarkets and restaurants every day. My one daughter is Mall opens will go back.

On top of that majority of older daughters friends including her are going back to college in Fall if virtual or not. My older daughter has three roomates and a lease. The school nearly all Juniors and Seniors live off campus and apartments are not refunding if no school.

So exactly how does not having a Fall session in person help? My older daughter her small college town had zero cases of COVID when she left to head back to DC area with a lot of cases. I dont see point.

Am I only one?

That small college town that and zero cases back in the spring probably doesn’t have adequate medical facilities to deal with a massive outbreak. Thousands of college students flooding back from all over the country/world is practically guaranteed to spread it like wildfire.

Just like that massive spike we were supposed to see two weeks after Spring Break?

[Anonymous]

Not wanting to shut down again when inevitably a case shows up in a big dorm is probably the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, ina world where Memorial Day 2020 looks like this, I’m sure you are not the only one.

https://www.kmov.com/news/watch-packed-pool-party-at-lake-of-the-ozarks-shows-crowd-ignoring-social-distancing-guidelines/article_5de50ce8-9dbb-11ea-bd46-6b8e99107093.html

But most people understand in person college comes with increased risk. This issue is, is the risk worth the pay off?

Good for them. If you don't feel this is a safe place for you, then don't go. Stop taking away people's choices.

[Anonymous]

The fact is, students came back to college campuses from across the country, Europe, and China after Christmas break, when clearly the virus was already circulating, and were there for 2 and a half months and there isn't one report of transmission on a college campus. The risk is just very low not only to get ill from contracting the virus, but even for spreading it, among this age group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College students make notoriously poor choices on health and safety issues, particularly in social contexts where alcohol is involved. When I was in college there was an outbreak of meningitis on campus with multiple students hospitalized. The college sent out all kinds of safety guidelines for minimizing your risk of exposure, but that Saturday there was a huge party when one of the frats wanted to try out their new shot luge. The number of students lining up to put their mouths up against the same surface someone else had their mouth against moments before, despite all the warnings we’d been getting for days, was horrifying.

I think we have scared them enough. They have already lost a big chunk of some of the best years of their lives. If they know that reckless behavior will lead to being shut down and sent home, they just might listen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact is, students came back to college campuses from across the country, Europe, and China after Christmas break, when clearly the virus was already circulating, and were there for 2 and a half months and there isn't one report of transmission on a college campus. The risk is just very low not only to get ill from contracting the virus, but even for spreading it, among this age group.

I almost think this is dumb, but my daughter had four Chinese international students on her hall. Her roommate went to Austria over winter break, her friend to Italy, etc. She moved back into college on January 14th. January 20th she called me and said she couldn’t breathe, her chest hurt, and her hands were tingly. She has mild asthma, but her inhaler wasn’t making a difference. The next day she had a temp of 103 for about 24 hours. To weak to get up and go to the doc, just wanted to sleep. Fever broke, but her lungs were awful and her heart was erratic. She went to the ER for a breathing treatment and they gave her meds to calm her heart down. No fever, cough, or congestion so they didn’t suspect flu. A couple friends were later diagnosed with “adenovirus” after testing negative for strep and flu and one ran a fever for 2 weeks and was on oxygen at home. A couple other friends who already knew they had mono randomly had high fevers of 103-104 and vomiting/diarrhea for a week or longer but the doctors said it was part of the mono. Who knows. Normal college stuff? Or was it here early?

[Anonymous]

Because of international students. Not only when they first come in August/Sept, but when family comes to visit, and kids go to and from homeland during weekends and breaks.

[Anonymous]

No one is forced to have an international room mate. If that is issue just dont allow international students to mix dorm rooms

My daughter has a three female roomates, MD, one NJ, one LI and one in MA. None are international and all live at home. All our between 19-21

They have a four bedroom apt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, ina world where Memorial Day 2020 looks like this, I’m sure you are not the only one.

https://www.kmov.com/news/watch-packed-pool-party-at-lake-of-the-ozarks-shows-crowd-ignoring-social-distancing-guidelines/article_5de50ce8-9dbb-11ea-bd46-6b8e99107093.html

But most people understand in person college comes with increased risk. This issue is, is the risk worth the pay off?

Good for them. If you don't feel this is a safe place for you, then don't go. Stop taking away people's choices.

Reading is fundamental. Before you snark off, realize we may agree. I said in person college comes with increased risk. That’s just a fact.
Every state, college, professor and student needs to be asking themselves if the risk is worth the benefits. The answer may be different for a 2000 kid rural SLAC and U Michigan.

I’m not in favor of taking away in anyone’s right to choose unless their choices end up killing a bunch of people. Will in person college? Again, it likely depends on size, location, etc. But, if don’t think we know where we I’ll be in August.

[Anonymous]

In person school is NOT a higher risk for many. We have homeless students, food insecure students, students working
in fast food and supermarkets all summer and students living in cramped homes with parents and siblings going out to work every day.

Sure you are in a 6,000 square foot house in DMV with a WFH parent(s) and a kid who does not have to work yes you are better. But that is at best 1-5 percent of college students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to have an international room mate. If that is issue just dont allow international students to mix dorm rooms

My daughter has a three female roomates, MD, one NJ, one LI and one in MA. None are international and all live at home. All our between 19-21

They have a four bedroom apt

You mean discriminate based on national origin? Yeah, see how well that goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to have an international room mate. If that is issue just dont allow international students to mix dorm rooms

My daughter has a three female roomates, MD, one NJ, one LI and one in MA. None are international and all live at home. All our between 19-21

They have a four bedroom apt

Dorms share eating halls, showers, lobbies, elevators, hallways and study areas. And here's the big one -- they all have the same air ducts, so it's circulating any Covid-19 droplets throughout the building and possibly into every room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to have an international room mate. If that is issue just dont allow international students to mix dorm rooms

My daughter has a three female roomates, MD, one NJ, one LI and one in MA. None are international and all live at home. All our between 19-21

They have a four bedroom apt

Issue is it's already about to be June 1st and there's no word yet on an international travel being allowed. So when it is finally allowed, you want ZERO trial period -- few weeks, maybe a month or two -- to see if Corona outbreak happens again? You want international air to open and couple weeks later 5-20% of your kid's college is full of international kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to have an international room mate. If that is issue just dont allow international students to mix dorm rooms

My daughter has a three female roomates, MD, one NJ, one LI and one in MA. None are international and all live at home. All our between 19-21

They have a four bedroom apt

Issue is it's already about to be June 1st and there's no word yet on an international travel being allowed. So when it is finally allowed, you want ZERO trial period -- few weeks, maybe a month or two -- to see if Corona outbreak happens again? You want international air to open and couple weeks later 5-20% of your kid's college is full of international kids?

Make International students on line learning first semester problem solved. Also frees up space so not triples