Singapore distributes millions of face masks in a day after changing health guidance-such competence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

“People are saying...”

Uh, no thanks. I can look at data charts to see that death tolls and testing numbers on a per capita basis are completely out of whack when compared to other 1st world industrial nations. The US has been completely incompetent in this crisis. Other countries have been competent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

What are you talking about? Singapore is distributing masks, I’m the Op and got this from a friend who lives there who got a message on her app to pick one up. It’s not like here where we can’t even agree that masks are a good thing and health care professionals are dying because they don’t have the appropriate protective equipment. I don’t understand why some people are so defensive when other countries are doing better at something. It’s something to strive for, not to attack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

“People are saying...”

Uh, no thanks. I can look at data charts to see that death tolls and testing numbers on a per capita basis are completely out of whack when compared to other 1st world industrial nations. The US has been completely incompetent in this crisis. Other countries have been competent.

And you know for a fact that they’re reporting accurate data? That their death counts are valid? That their tests are more accurate than ours?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you should totally move there

I am thinking that we could simply outsource the running of America to them. Or Iceland. Or South Korea.

They would make America Clean, Educated, Prepared....For Once. MACEP - FO

+1. It would be amazing if America could be run as efficiently and competently as Singapore is being run. Meanwhile we have people who don’t even believe in science in charge.

Understand this is a militaristic police state. They publicly cane people for smoking weed.

There are plenty of liberal democracies that are handling the crisis well. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Denmark, etc.

You don’t need to be a police city state to manage a pandemic with competency. In fact, the US handled pandemics easily in the past. But it takes good leadership that defers to subject matter experts, public investment, and a bureaucracy that is supported.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

What are you talking about? Singapore is distributing masks, I’m the Op and got this from a friend who lives there who got a message on her app to pick one up. It’s not like here where we can’t even agree that masks are a good thing and health care professionals are dying because they don’t have the appropriate protective equipment. I don’t understand why some people are so defensive when other countries are doing better at something. It’s something to strive for, not to attack.

Singapore has about the same population as NYC. If that was all we had to worry about, I think we’d be doing better too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

“People are saying...”

Uh, no thanks. I can look at data charts to see that death tolls and testing numbers on a per capita basis are completely out of whack when compared to other 1st world industrial nations. The US has been completely incompetent in this crisis. Other countries have been competent.

And you know for a fact that they’re reporting accurate data? That their death counts are valid? That their tests are more accurate than ours?

Not my fault that you a conspiracy nut job.
Yes, I trust Taiwan and Denmark to report relatively accurate numbers. They have a history of transparency.

[Anonymous]

My brother in law lives in Switzerland. He says it’s much worse there than they are reporting. They only test the elderly, so their case and death counts are inaccurate. Their entire office building is sick. They are trying to pool money to get one person tested through a private source under the table so they will know if they all have it or not.

Is there any data coming from other countries about who they are testing, how they are counting deaths as Virus or not virus related? How can we evaluate anything accurately without standardized data? Everyone thinks they’re a scientist and they’re just reading news headlines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

What are you talking about? Singapore is distributing masks, I’m the Op and got this from a friend who lives there who got a message on her app to pick one up. It’s not like here where we can’t even agree that masks are a good thing and health care professionals are dying because they don’t have the appropriate protective equipment. I don’t understand why some people are so defensive when other countries are doing better at something. It’s something to strive for, not to attack.

Singapore has about the same population as NYC. If that was all we had to worry about, I think we’d be doing better too.

The CDC had a record of providing accurate recommendations and producing accurate tests until now also. This pandemic has changed a lot of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brother in law lives in Switzerland. He says it’s much worse there than they are reporting. They only test the elderly, so their case and death counts are inaccurate. Their entire office building is sick. They are trying to pool money to get one person tested through a private source under the table so they will know if they all have it or not.

Is there any data coming from other countries about who they are testing, how they are counting deaths as Virus or not virus related? How can we evaluate anything accurately without standardized data? Everyone thinks they’re a scientist and they’re just reading news headlines.

That’s true here in the USA too. Our number of cases are severely underreported. I have so many coworkers and friends with symptoms who have called their primary care physicians and can’t get tested because their symptoms aren’t severe enough and covid testing is being saved for the sickest. The availability of testing isn’t an issue in Singapore (or South Korea or Germany) all of which are handling this crisis better than the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brother in law lives in Switzerland. He says it’s much worse there than they are reporting. They only test the elderly, so their case and death counts are inaccurate. Their entire office building is sick. They are trying to pool money to get one person tested through a private source under the table so they will know if they all have it or not.

Is there any data coming from other countries about who they are testing, how they are counting deaths as Virus or not virus related? How can we evaluate anything accurately without standardized data? Everyone thinks they’re a scientist and they’re just reading news headlines.

I’m honestly surprised about Switzerland’s failures. They pride themselves on being a “prepper” nation and they were caught completely flat footed by this. Given their strong medical and pharmaceutical industry - including numerous manufacturing plants - I am really surprised that they have not fixed their testing shortage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who claim other countries do this or that should really spend some time living abroad and seeing that what’s reported in the media is often not what us actually happening. Also, spend some time reading what the media from other countries is saying about the US. It’s rarely what we are seeing on the ground.

What are you talking about? Singapore is distributing masks, I’m the Op and got this from a friend who lives there who got a message on her app to pick one up. It’s not like here where we can’t even agree that masks are a good thing and health care professionals are dying because they don’t have the appropriate protective equipment. I don’t understand why some people are so defensive when other countries are doing better at something. It’s something to strive for, not to attack.

Singapore has about the same population as NYC. If that was all we had to worry about, I think we’d be doing better too.

The CDC had a record of providing accurate recommendations and producing accurate tests until now also. This pandemic has changed a lot of things.

Yup. And even when they get it right now (fauci keeps asking why 10 states haven’t issued stay at home orders), Trump overrides them. Ideology trumping competence unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Iceland tested every one. They found that 50% of Icelandic people have been infected. Majority of them are asymptomatic and healthy. This is a very sparsely populated country that is naturally quarantined and social distanced, where the virus load on an average person is very low and so the individual immune system can fight it off easily.

On this model, we should assume that right now conservatively, 70% of all people in the US have it and everyone is capable Quarantining, masks, washing hands - these are helping everyone to lower the virus load on their body.

Next, we need more data to find out -
1) If we are immune once we get it - mild, severe, asymptomatic?
2) What is the impact of the viral load increasing in previously asymptomatic or symptomatic people? Do we relapse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iceland tested every one. They found that 50% of Icelandic people have been infected. Majority of them are asymptomatic and healthy. This is a very sparsely populated country that is naturally quarantined and social distanced, where the virus load on an average person is very low and so the individual immune system can fight it off easily.

On this model, we should assume that right now conservatively, 70% of all people in the US have it and everyone is capable Quarantining, masks, washing hands - these are helping everyone to lower the virus load on their body.

Next, we need more data to find out -
1) If we are immune once we get it - mild, severe, asymptomatic?
2) What is the impact of the viral load increasing in previously asymptomatic or symptomatic people? Do we relapse?

That’s scary. And so illustrative of why the ability to test more is so key.

[Anonymous]

US is doing much worse than Canada, as the following data shows: Canada has done twice as many as tests, has one third of cases, and less than one third of deaths as the US.

Data per million people

Category: US Canada
#tests ( April 2) 3824 6832
#death (April 5) 25 6.12
#cases (April 5) 943 367

All the data is from "world in data".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iceland tested every one. They found that 50% of Icelandic people have been infected. Majority of them are asymptomatic and healthy. This is a very sparsely populated country that is naturally quarantined and social distanced, where the virus load on an average person is very low and so the individual immune system can fight it off easily.

On this model, we should assume that right now conservatively, 70% of all people in the US have it and everyone is capable Quarantining, masks, washing hands - these are helping everyone to lower the virus load on their body.

Next, we need more data to find out -
1) If we are immune once we get it - mild, severe, asymptomatic?
2) What is the impact of the viral load increasing in previously asymptomatic or symptomatic people? Do we relapse?

Iceland hasn't texted everyone they have tested 5% of their population. It still impressive though but far from testing everyone.