2nd Grader APP Question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have no idea what the profile of a successful application looks like.

This. FCPS should release the 25th percentile, median, and 75th percentile scores for each of nnat, each sub-section of cogat, cogat composite, and gbrs for the kids who are admitted, kind of like how colleges post that info for ACT and SAT scores. The process is entirely too opaque, and no one knows what carries the most weight with the committee. My school's AART encourages everyone to fill out the parent referral, questionnaire, and provide work samples, even if the kid seems like a shoo in.

No they shouldn't. Why should they?

They should use the Cogat and NNAT as screeners and administer an IQ test to every in pool kid. That would put a stop to all this craziness.

[Anonymous]

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The reality is that the same packet could be shown to many different tables of five reviewers and end up with different results. We have no idea what each persons standards for acceptance is and we know that they are not given a set standard that they are suppose to met.

Heck, the same packet could be shown to the same table of 5 reviewers, but at a different time in the process and end up with a different result. A borderline packet would look much better if the previous few packets were really meh. It would look much worse if the previous kid's packet was outstanding. At the end of the day, when people are tired and want to go home, they're going to judge things differently than they will if it's one of the first packets of the day. The process doesn't seem to have consistency or general standards.

Each packet is looked at twice, you know. It's not nearly as arbitrary as you're making it out to be.

[Anonymous]

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Each packet is looked at twice, you know. It's not nearly as arbitrary as you're making it out to be.

Only the rejections are looked at twice. The packets with low scores that are mysteriously accepted don't go through a second round of screening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No they shouldn't. Why should they?

They should use the Cogat and NNAT as screeners and administer an IQ test to every in pool kid. That would put a stop to all this craziness.

They should for more transparency to the process. I'd prefer your idea of giving an IQ test to every in pool kid, though. That should return AAP to being a gifted program for gifted kids and not a bloated program for above average kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The reality is that the same packet could be shown to many different tables of five reviewers and end up with different results. We have no idea what each persons standards for acceptance is and we know that they are not given a set standard that they are suppose to met.

Heck, the same packet could be shown to the same table of 5 reviewers, but at a different time in the process and end up with a different result. A borderline packet would look much better if the previous few packets were really meh. It would look much worse if the previous kid's packet was outstanding. At the end of the day, when people are tired and want to go home, they're going to judge things differently than they will if it's one of the first packets of the day. The process doesn't seem to have consistency or general standards.

Each packet is looked at twice, you know. It's not nearly as arbitrary as you're making it out to be.

DP here. Strangely enough the people who have explained the process to me have all sat on those committees. They describe it as arbitrary and with no guidance. Each reviewer has their own standard. Some put a lot of weight on test scores, some on GBRS, some on work samples. A kid with a 140 on the NNAT and CogAT but middle of the road GBRS could be rejected by a group if three value GBRS over test scores but accepted by another table where scores are given weight.

[Anonymous]

When is parent referral form due?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is parent referral form due?

January 9th, 2020.

You have some time. Your school will have a Level IV information meeting some time in December to discuss the process. The AART said to save work samples that come home that you think are good to submit but that is about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have no idea what the profile of a successful application looks like.

This. FCPS should release the 25th percentile, median, and 75th percentile scores for each of nnat, each sub-section of cogat, cogat composite, and gbrs for the kids who are admitted, kind of like how colleges post that info for ACT and SAT scores. The process is entirely too opaque, and no one knows what carries the most weight with the committee. My school's AART encourages everyone to fill out the parent referral, questionnaire, and provide work samples, even if the kid seems like a shoo in.

Yes, do this if you want the best chance for your kid to get in. Who knows if it really helps, but sometimes the schools don't do a good job with submitting work samples.