2nd Grader APP Question
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Anonymous
| My current 2nd grader scored a 140 on the NNATs last year. Will she be automatically considered for AAP or do I need to complete a referral for her? |
Anonymous
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She will likely be in pool based on her NNAT score but that is not officially known until the pool letters go out sometime in December or January. Our school AART told parents that the base line score has traditionally been a 132 or higher on the NNAT or the CogAT but that number is adjust every year. She flat out said that if you think that your child should be in AAP then you should prepare a referral so you are not scrambling at the last minute.
I would guess a 140 is a strong enough score that she will be in pool but that is simply a guess. |
Anonymous
| She should be, but why not fill out the paperwork? It just strengthens your position that it's the best place for her, especially if she happens to tank the CoGat. |
Anonymous
| Yes, she's already in pool. You're done, OP. |
Anonymous
| Most likely in pool but wouldn't hurt to prepare the parent referral form anyway so you can give your own two cents on why you think she should be in AAP. |
Anonymous
| Always always do a parent referral. This shows the school you are serious about AAP and will likely fight if the kid doesn't get in.. |
Anonymous
lol Really? Most kids who are admitted don't have a parent referral. So strange! How did those kids of unserious parents get in? |
Anonymous
We have no clue what the packages look like for the kids who are accepted. We have the anecdotal reports of people who post on a bulletin board. If you can provide a link that shows that X percentage of in pool, no parental questionnaire submitted is the vast majority of acceptance then provide the link. The reality is that no one has the slightest clue as to who is accepted or why. I know families where the parents had no clue that their kid was under consideration for AAP until they got the in pool letter and did nothing and were accepted. I know people whose kid was in pool and they did nothing and the kid wasn't accepted. Those anecdotes mean squat. We have no idea what the profile of a successful application looks like. |
Anonymous
| If you are posting this, it suggests you are quite serious about AAP for this child. My advice would be to consider if you do nothing further and your child doesn’t get in, what will you wish you had done? Whatever that is, do it now. Much better to get in first round than on appeal, simply because you couldn’t be bothered to gather some paperwork. Or maybe you don’t care very much in which case don’t bother and whatever happens, happens. |
Anonymous
I can tell you with confidence that there's nothing a parent can say about a child with a 140 NNAT and anything moderately commensurate on the Cogat that will be the difference between being admitted or not admitted. |
Anonymous
Respectfully disagree. Also would point out Cogat and GBRS unknown here. It’s just a high NNAT, arguably the lower weighted of the two tests and also a sole data point. |
Anonymous
Yup. And every year there are reports on this site of kids with a 140 NNAT and a 140 CogAT and the kid was not accepted. It normally ends up being that the GBRS are mediocre and the work samples were poor. The parent appeals with the parent questionnaire filled out to address the GBRS issues and with new work sample. And some of those kids are accepted on appeal and some are not. And then there are the people who post the exact same stats without referral forms who were accepted. The reality is that the same packet could be shown to many different tables of five reviewers and end up with different results. We have no idea what each persons standards for acceptance is and we know that they are not given a set standard that they are suppose to met. So who knows. The AART at our school said she would not see packets from her schools, because she helps put them together, but would be reviewing other packets. |
Anonymous
Wrong. |
Anonymous
This. FCPS should release the 25th percentile, median, and 75th percentile scores for each of nnat, each sub-section of cogat, cogat composite, and gbrs for the kids who are admitted, kind of like how colleges post that info for ACT and SAT scores. The process is entirely too opaque, and no one knows what carries the most weight with the committee. My school's AART encourages everyone to fill out the parent referral, questionnaire, and provide work samples, even if the kid seems like a shoo in. |
Anonymous
Heck, the same packet could be shown to the same table of 5 reviewers, but at a different time in the process and end up with a different result. A borderline packet would look much better if the previous few packets were really meh. It would look much worse if the previous kid's packet was outstanding. At the end of the day, when people are tired and want to go home, they're going to judge things differently than they will if it's one of the first packets of the day. The process doesn't seem to have consistency or general standards. |