Caroline Calloway and Natalie Beach

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women like Natalie creep me out and I was underwhelmed by her essay.

Caroline is shallow, nuts, grifter, likely mentally ill —- yeah we know. So what.

But Natalie basically pretended to be her friend for years while secretly seething and secretly hating her. That’s totally manipulative and user behavior in its own right. I have been “friends” with Natalies before and I had no idea that my friend was secretly jealous and resentful of me. It was really hurtful when I found out. I felt so stupid and lied to. The betrayal of a false friend indeed.

So please, Natalies of the world, go to therapy to deal with your self-esteem, entitlement and jealousy issues, and don’t ever pretend to be someone's friend — it’s not nice or needed, it’s actually incredibly mean and selfish.

I agree with some of what you wrote, but it was pretty clear to me that Natalie wanted to be caroline’s friend (rather than pretended to be) but was repeatedly treated disrespectfully by her. In the end she realized that she had just been used by Caroline. They both need therapy.

[Anonymous]

I'm a 56 year old guy and heard this story mentioned on the radio. It took me about 15 minutes of online research to comprehend the most basic outlines of the plot and the two people involved. Let's put it in a bottle so future generations will know what the world was like in 2019.

Nothing wrapped around emptiness with a void at the center. And somehow we all are watching.

[Anonymous]

Or else they are working together to boost both of their profiles and get publicity.

[Anonymous]

Oooo thank you for this juicy read. For anyone who's wondering: https://www.thecut.com/2019/09/the-story-of-caroline-calloway-and-her-ghostwriter-natalie.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women like Natalie creep me out and I was underwhelmed by her essay.

Caroline is shallow, nuts, grifter, likely mentally ill —- yeah we know. So what.

But Natalie basically pretended to be her friend for years while secretly seething and secretly hating her. That’s totally manipulative and user behavior in its own right. I have been “friends” with Natalies before and I had no idea that my friend was secretly jealous and resentful of me. It was really hurtful when I found out. I felt so stupid and lied to. The betrayal of a false friend indeed.

So please, Natalies of the world, go to therapy to deal with your self-esteem, entitlement and jealousy issues, and don’t ever pretend to be someone's friend — it’s not nice or needed, it’s actually incredibly mean and selfish.

I agree with some of what you wrote, but it was pretty clear to me that Natalie wanted to be caroline’s friend (rather than pretended to be) but was repeatedly treated disrespectfully by her. In the end she realized that she had just been used by Caroline. They both need therapy.

Natalie wanted to BE Caroline, not be Caroline's friend. But I do agree that Caroline used her and treated her like an afterthought.

[Anonymous]

Natalie wanted to BE Caroline, not be Caroline's friend. But I do agree that Caroline used her and treated her like an afterthought.

The story of Natalie needing to leave her apartment sickened me. She asks Caroline if she can stay in her vacant apartment for a while, Caroline agrees, but at the last minute says no, but I’ll pay you to be a maid when I rent it out. That behavior borders on sociopathic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Natalie wanted to BE Caroline, not be Caroline's friend. But I do agree that Caroline used her and treated her like an afterthought.

The story of Natalie needing to leave her apartment sickened me. She asks Caroline if she can stay in her vacant apartment for a while, Caroline agrees, but at the last minute says no, but I’ll pay you to be a maid when I rent it out. That behavior borders on sociopathic.

I mean, I definitely see a mean rich girl and a user who saw Natalie as an inferior rather than a friend and an equal. But a sociopath? I don't really see it. She didn't owe Natalie access to her apartment. And Natalie was free to say no to the aidbnb maid thing - and did say no, without their "friendship" suffering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Natalie wanted to BE Caroline, not be Caroline's friend. But I do agree that Caroline used her and treated her like an afterthought.

The story of Natalie needing to leave her apartment sickened me. She asks Caroline if she can stay in her vacant apartment for a while, Caroline agrees, but at the last minute says no, but I’ll pay you to be a maid when I rent it out. That behavior borders on sociopathic.

I mean, I definitely see a mean rich girl and a user who saw Natalie as an inferior rather than a friend and an equal. But a sociopath? I don't really see it. She didn't owe Natalie access to her apartment. And Natalie was free to say no to the aidbnb maid thing - and did say no, without their "friendship" suffering.

Their friendship did suffer, as a result of the request rather than the refusal.

I would argue that Caroline has a lot of the qualities of a sociopath. Shallow charm, empty friendships, taking advantage of people, lack of empathy, grandiose self regard...