When (if ever) will DC neighborhood schools be the default option for high achieving students?

[Anonymous]

I’m boosting Basis elementary bc I’d send my kids their, and we’re IB for SH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m boosting Basis elementary bc I’d send my kids their, and we’re IB for SH.

*there*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you have so many charters, it’s hard for neighborhood schools to get a critical mass of high achieving students. There are no charters in the Wilson area, so it’s easier for those neighborhood schools to thrive.

Wilson is not even that good. The high income/SES students are doing fine, but they'd do fine anywhere. Most students there aren't even meeting basic proficiency standards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

Agree that SH and Jefferson are next. The normal MS options are getting harder to lottery in, & combined with the honors track, makes both more viable.

I would have agreed with this except with Latin opening a 2nd campus for fall of 2020, I think that will stall out SH and Jefferson yet again. I don't think SH/Jefferson/EH and then Eastern will see more IB participation for quite a while now, if ever. I used to believe that we were approaching a tipping point with LT becoming more IB, etc, but I think we'll move away from it again (much to my dismay).

Not if Latin locates in Ward 7 or 8, as intended and planned.

However if BASIS is approved to open an elementary, which won't draw people out of their neighborhood DCPS schools, BASIS as a middle school option will cease to exist, going from the current 120-130 5th-grade seats to about 20-25..

That would be good news for SH and Jefferson.

SH and Jefferson boosters should be loudly boosting the BASIS K-4 plan.

Are you saying that there would only be 20-25 OPEN seats for BASIS middle if the expansion happens?

And the new Latin will need to be in very far ward 7 or 8 to keep all the ward 6 families out. They have shown that they will travel anywhere for a non-EH middle school option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

Agree that SH and Jefferson are next. The normal MS options are getting harder to lottery in, & combined with the honors track, makes both more viable.

I would have agreed with this except with Latin opening a 2nd campus for fall of 2020, I think that will stall out SH and Jefferson yet again. I don't think SH/Jefferson/EH and then Eastern will see more IB participation for quite a while now, if ever. I used to believe that we were approaching a tipping point with LT becoming more IB, etc, but I think we'll move away from it again (much to my dismay).

Not if Latin locates in Ward 7 or 8, as intended and planned.

However if BASIS is approved to open an elementary, which won't draw people out of their neighborhood DCPS schools, BASIS as a middle school option will cease to exist, going from the current 120-130 5th-grade seats to about 20-25..

That would be good news for SH and Jefferson.

SH and Jefferson boosters should be loudly boosting the BASIS K-4 plan.

Are you saying that there would only be 20-25 OPEN seats for BASIS middle if the expansion happens?

And the new Latin will need to be in very far ward 7 or 8 to keep all the ward 6 families out. They have shown that they will travel anywhere for a non-EH middle school option.

Yes, I meant open.

If a BASIS K-4 follows the model of their other schools (and DC is the only BASIS charter that remains a 5-12) they will only backfill at the ES/MS break, they don't add new seats.

If there's 20-30% attrition, that would mean 20-30 new students could attend in 5th. Far fewer seats than are currently available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

Agree that SH and Jefferson are next. The normal MS options are getting harder to lottery in, & combined with the honors track, makes both more viable.

I would have agreed with this except with Latin opening a 2nd campus for fall of 2020, I think that will stall out SH and Jefferson yet again. I don't think SH/Jefferson/EH and then Eastern will see more IB participation for quite a while now, if ever. I used to believe that we were approaching a tipping point with LT becoming more IB, etc, but I think we'll move away from it again (much to my dismay).

Not if Latin locates in Ward 7 or 8, as intended and planned.

However if BASIS is approved to open an elementary, which won't draw people out of their neighborhood DCPS schools, BASIS as a middle school option will cease to exist, going from the current 120-130 5th-grade seats to about 20-25..

That would be good news for SH and Jefferson.

SH and Jefferson boosters should be loudly boosting the BASIS K-4 plan.

Are you saying that there would only be 20-25 OPEN seats for BASIS middle if the expansion happens?

And the new Latin will need to be in very far ward 7 or 8 to keep all the ward 6 families out. They have shown that they will travel anywhere for a non-EH middle school option.

Well given how many students were shot and killed going to/from TMA last year, perhaps the Ward 6 parents will not cross the river as easily as head up to Ward 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

Agree that SH and Jefferson are next. The normal MS options are getting harder to lottery in, & combined with the honors track, makes both more viable.

I would have agreed with this except with Latin opening a 2nd campus for fall of 2020, I think that will stall out SH and Jefferson yet again. I don't think SH/Jefferson/EH and then Eastern will see more IB participation for quite a while now, if ever. I used to believe that we were approaching a tipping point with LT becoming more IB, etc, but I think we'll move away from it again (much to my dismay).

Not if Latin locates in Ward 7 or 8, as intended and planned.

However if BASIS is approved to open an elementary, which won't draw people out of their neighborhood DCPS schools, BASIS as a middle school option will cease to exist, going from the current 120-130 5th-grade seats to about 20-25..

That would be good news for SH and Jefferson.

SH and Jefferson boosters should be loudly boosting the BASIS K-4 plan.

Are you saying that there would only be 20-25 OPEN seats for BASIS middle if the expansion happens?

And the new Latin will need to be in very far ward 7 or 8 to keep all the ward 6 families out. They have shown that they will travel anywhere for a non-EH middle school option.

Well given how many students were shot and killed going to/from TMA last year, perhaps the Ward 6 parents will not cross the river as easily as head up to Ward 4.

I don't think Stokes East End has had a problem drawing non-white families. And I have to think that Latin will not abide having a 'white' school and a 'black' school so would do something to avoid that outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that DC is simultaneously unaffordable for middle class families who want to buy a home yet has so few neighborhoods where families can be guaranteed to be happy with their schools.

I understand that all the Wilson feeding neighborhoods are doing well, but what neighborhoods are next?

Will the students just continue to do private schools and charter schools and never get the critical mass needed in EOTP neighborhoods?

The lottery is the answer to this. If you get a good number, you can go anywhere, regardless of where you live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

There’s your answer.

You’ll know when DCPS starts caring about high-achieving kids in an area by when they start offering diffentiation/honors.

[Anonymous]

What about the Petworth schools? While I only hear good thing about Banard, Powell and so so about Bruce Monroe. while Raymond is the only outliner, this neighborhood may may see increased potential.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When DCPS adequately funds its middle schools and finds a way of educating children who have experienced trauma, then things will improve. Not before.

That being said, I do think Eastern may be next to gentrify, Stuart-Hobson being well underway.

Middle schools have plenty of money.

You are right about educating children who have experienced or live in trauma. I'm not sure anyone, anywhere has figured that out though.

Smaller schools with consistent staff that loop with kids helps a lot. It’s one reason we pay for Catholic school for my husband’s young relative. There are 150 kids in his MS. He will have the same four core teachers all three years. He doesn’t have to explain to a new teacher every year (or 3 months) why he’s sad or scared. They know his triggers and what helps him cope effectively. None will ever say knee-jerk “I’m going to call your mom!”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the Petworth schools? While I only hear good thing about Banard, Powell and so so about Bruce Monroe. while Raymond is the only outliner, this neighborhood may may see increased potential.

Good luck.
If DCPS isn't going to care about middle schools for the Shaw cluster of elementaries (Garrison, Cleveland, Seaton, Ross, Thomson) they're REALLY not going to care about middle schools for the Petworth elementaries.

[Anonymous]

Not until the city gentrifies, or tracking is offered.
I don’t believe anyone will succeed in closing the achievent gap so I am not listing that option.

[Anonymous]

When DCPS starts tracking, test in classes, starts gifted programming in 3rd grade like every jurisdiction around us, most parents are not going to choose their local school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More and more Elementary schools are decent

Middle school wise

Capitol Hill area more and more folks are choosing Stuart Hobson and Jefferson. They both have some type of differentiation/honors component

As far as EOTP is concerned yall need to coordinate and pick one middle school for all the higher achievers to take over and flip Cardozo, Columbia Heights, Brookland, MicKinley, or New North. The numbers area there you just need to pick one of those options and swarm it

High School works because of all the test-in select school options

Agree that SH and Jefferson are next. The normal MS options are getting harder to lottery in, & combined with the honors track, makes both more viable.

I would have agreed with this except with Latin opening a 2nd campus for fall of 2020, I think that will stall out SH and Jefferson yet again. I don't think SH/Jefferson/EH and then Eastern will see more IB participation for quite a while now, if ever. I used to believe that we were approaching a tipping point with LT becoming more IB, etc, but I think we'll move away from it again (much to my dismay).

Really depends where Latin's 2nd campus will be located. It it's in Ward 5 or 6, that's one situation, if it's over the river in Ward 7 or 8, another situation altogether.