illegal immigrants in jail

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Starting the path to citizenship in this country by breaking the law does not seem the best first step. Also, what's up with 'anchor babies'??? Causes needless confusion. Expand legal immigration and crack down on employers of illegals.

Would anyone care if I reported my rich Potomac (MD) neighbors who have an illegal slave lady?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:...
This is unbelievable. Anyone caught residing in this country illegally should be deported because they are criminals.

Distinction: Illegal is not the same as criminal. When I drive 60 mph in a 55 mph zone, I am doing something illegal, but I am not a criminal. There are civil offenses and criminal offenses. Being in the country without documentation is a civil offense and does not make an illegal (more precisely, undocumented) alien a criminal.


I'm confused; please explain further.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Starting the path to citizenship in this country by breaking the law does not seem the best first step. Also, what's up with 'anchor babies'??? Causes needless confusion. Expand legal immigration and crack down on employers of illegals.

Would anyone care if I reported my rich Potomac (MD) neighbors who have an illegal slave lady?


by all means; slavery is criminal. long sentences for that
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Starting the path to citizenship in this country by breaking the law does not seem the best first step. Also, what's up with 'anchor babies'??? Causes needless confusion. Expand legal immigration and crack down on employers of illegals.

Would anyone care if I reported my rich Potomac (MD) neighbors who have an illegal slave lady?


by all means; slavery is criminal. long sentences for that

What would the process look like?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Starting the path to citizenship in this country by breaking the law does not seem the best first step. Also, what's up with 'anchor babies'??? Causes needless confusion. Expand legal immigration and crack down on employers of illegals.

Would anyone care if I reported my rich Potomac (MD) neighbors who have an illegal slave lady?


I would report that person, and hopefully, she will look into hiring someone from here in the future.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:...
This is unbelievable. Anyone caught residing in this country illegally should be deported because they are criminals.

Distinction: Illegal is not the same as criminal. When I drive 60 mph in a 55 mph zone, I am doing something illegal, but I am not a criminal. There are civil offenses and criminal offenses. Being in the country without documentation is a civil offense and does not make an illegal (more precisely, undocumented) alien a criminal.


I'm confused; please explain further.


I agree that the distinction between civil and criminal offenses is an important one. I do not think undocumented immigrants should be deported for speeding, or having an unpaid parking ticket. I'm not a lawyer, but I think felonies are divided into classes, with the violent crimes being in a class to themselves. Those convicted of class-whatever felonies should not be incarcerated in the U.S., but sent back at the conclusion of their trial.
Anonymous
If people are working here illegally, they are not paying their fair share of taxes because they are working off the books.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If people are working here illegally, they are not paying their fair share of taxes because they are working off the books.


Not always true. Many have their taxes taken out of their pay, and then never file to claim their refund. Which means they're paying more than their fair share. They also have no way of getting around sales tax, utilities/ services tax, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article got me thinking. Is there a downside to deporting illegal immigrants?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111209444.html?hpid=sec-metro

I am the world's biggest proponent of immigration. I'm married to an immigrant. I lived overseas and considered emigrating myself (eventually came back). I do not get my back up about illegal immigration, because I believe that people have the right to self-determination, and I am awed by the work ethic and courage many immigrants, documented or not, bring here.

However... as a bleeding-heart, pro-immigration liberal, I think I can get on board with deporting illegal immigrants (and maybe even resident aliens) convicted of violent crimes. It's one thing (a good thing) to offer social services to contributing members of society (emergency rooms etc) regardless of immigration status, but it seems wasteful and wrong for us to foot the bill for incarcerating non-citizens. Is that consistent?


You mean for free? What are you offering. That is my tax dollar. Also, who pays the doctors in the ER that are "offered up". Look, they are breaking the law, and I sense that the tail is starting to wag the dog. They need to be sent home.


Yes, but you're more than making back your tax dollar with cheaper food, cheaper construction, cheaper landscaping, and people available to keep California and other fire-prone areas from burning down during the dry months. What's more, all of the undocumented workers with fake papers who are working in these industries are paying social security taxes into a system that will never pay THEM back a dime. Be thankful.
Anonymous
immigration, illegal or legal, is definitely a big plus for the economy because of the cheaper labor costs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Would anyone care if I reported my rich Potomac (MD) neighbors who have an illegal slave lady?


Not at all, report away.
Anonymous
Why do I get the feeling that everyone here thinks they are better than someone who is an immigrant?
Are immigrants, legal or not, still human beings. Seems like the new political correctness is to judge and condemn them. No-one is concerned about the other global issues - yes this is a global issue. Believe it or not, most people want to live in their own country, and leave out of desperation.
But we are not talking about how they put their lives in danger to get somewhere, or how they miss their families, are abused by unscrupulous employers and everything else you can think of, and no-one is in anyway concerned about what could be done in their own country, so that they would not need to become illegal immigrants
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article got me thinking. Is there a downside to deporting illegal immigrants?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111209444.html?hpid=sec-metro

I am the world's biggest proponent of immigration. I'm married to an immigrant. I lived overseas and considered emigrating myself (eventually came back). I do not get my back up about illegal immigration, because I believe that people have the right to self-determination, and I am awed by the work ethic and courage many immigrants, documented or not, bring here.

However... as a bleeding-heart, pro-immigration liberal, I think I can get on board with deporting illegal immigrants (and maybe even resident aliens) convicted of violent crimes. It's one thing (a good thing) to offer social services to contributing members of society (emergency rooms etc) regardless of immigration status, but it seems wasteful and wrong for us to foot the bill for incarcerating non-citizens. Is that consistent?


You mean for free? What are you offering. That is my tax dollar. Also, who pays the doctors in the ER that are "offered up". Look, they are breaking the law, and I sense that the tail is starting to wag the dog. They need to be sent home. [/quo
Yes, but you're more than making back your tax dollar with cheaper food, cheaper construction, cheaper landscaping, and people available to keep California and other fire-prone areas from burning down during the dry months. What's more, all of the undocumented workers with fake papers who are working in these industries are paying social security taxes into a system that will never pay THEM back a dime. Be thankful.


So we should be happy because illegal immigrants are getting gamed? That makes ZERO sense. How about upping the quota of legal immigration and showing illegal visitors to the door. The working so the people here legally are treated justly, even if we don't get 'cheaper construction'.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:immigration, illegal or legal, is definitely a big plus for the economy because of the cheaper labor costs.


In the short run. We can not really measure the social problems that can come along.
One thing that bugs me is that many of these people are coming from countries that have serious corruption and crime. I wonder how much of that will come along, especially when they start to establish themselves in the political system. One hundren years ago, many people came from a certain island in the Mediterranean, they brought a ton of crime, and nearly crippled our FBI. Hope that does not happen again.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:immigration, illegal or legal, is definitely a big plus for the economy because of the cheaper labor costs.


In the short run. We can not really measure the social problems that can come along.
One thing that bugs me is that many of these people are coming from countries that have serious corruption and crime. I wonder how much of that will come along, especially when they start to establish themselves in the political system. One hundren years ago, many people came from a certain island in the Mediterranean, they brought a ton of crime, and nearly crippled our FBI. Hope that does not happen again.


Actually, in the long run they are positive contributors to the economy from a cash perspective. They often are a burden on services at first when they are poor, although they do provide cheap labor. But the real benefit is that immigrants by and large better themselves, which makes the country richer. Once they have been here a while, they start to buy homes, get better jobs, start businesses, pay more taxes, etc. I can't recall the study, but one pretty good analysis shows that if you look at immigrants longitudinally, you see they have a positive NPV.
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