US/England

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s rather delicious that the few, effete guys here who love to loudly point out every men’s team setback while ignoring any good news from the younger teams has to endure this. I guarantee that the majority of parents don’t care for this discussion and will not make any changes in their plans or views based on it. Culture is not something that can be made overnight by a few complainers, it’s so much bigger than that and can only change over generations, and slowly at that. No coach or set of coaches can change the culture or the products of that culture.

Guess you and the wife will have to move to Spain or Germany to keep your sanity. Don’t let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.

There is plenty of soccer culture in this country, but the establishment excludes it. If you like corruption and incompetence, move to South Prairie Avenue in Chicago to keep your sanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s rather delicious that the few, effete guys here who love to loudly point out every men’s team setback while ignoring any good news from the younger teams has to endure this. I guarantee that the majority of parents don’t care for this discussion and will not make any changes in their plans or views based on it. Culture is not something that can be made overnight by a few complainers, it’s so much bigger than that and can only change over generations, and slowly at that. No coach or set of coaches can change the culture or the products of that culture.

Guess you and the wife will have to move to Spain or Germany to keep your sanity. Don’t let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.

There is plenty of soccer culture in this country, but the establishment excludes it. If you like corruption and incompetence, move to South Prairie Avenue in Chicago to keep your sanity.

LOL yes, because FIFA is the prime example of a haven of the just and moral. Not to mention the moral compasses of international footballers who evade taxes regularly and are often involved in scandals of one sort or another. No corruption overseas at all.

I hear tickets to Spain are cheaper this time of year. You should look into it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s rather delicious that the few, effete guys here who love to loudly point out every men’s team setback while ignoring any good news from the younger teams has to endure this. I guarantee that the majority of parents don’t care for this discussion and will not make any changes in their plans or views based on it. Culture is not something that can be made overnight by a few complainers, it’s so much bigger than that and can only change over generations, and slowly at that. No coach or set of coaches can change the culture or the products of that culture.

Guess you and the wife will have to move to Spain or Germany to keep your sanity. Don’t let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.

If you are going to stereotype, then I am curious how one separates the "effete guys" writing about soccer on a Mom blog from the "manly guys" who post here. By definition, isn't the stereotype that any man who likes soccer is "effete," whereas a manly guy likes football, baseball and apple pie?

By the way, I wrote one of the prior posts and am a woman. Either add something substantive to the discussion (that is not some lazy attack on a poster's character) or don't respond to the thread.

[Anonymous]

You’re not adding anything to the discussion, Mr. Move To Spain. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? You work for US Soccer or something? Avoid these threads if you can’t handle people making informed critiques.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You’re not adding anything to the discussion, Mr. Move To Spain. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? You work for US Soccer or something? Avoid these threads if you can’t handle people making informed critiques.

From the two posts above, it looks like you and your friend have their knickers in a bunch, sweetheart. The culture post cuts to the chase and is very relevant to the discussion Moreso than your vendetta against US Soccer

[Anonymous]

The back and forth insults make you both sound really intelligent. Keep it up.

[Anonymous]

Well that got nasty fast.

I’m an outsider on these boards, and I’ve yet to view the game.

We’re just not as good. We Americans like to think of ourselves as the best. It’s verified by some sports we excel in. In soccer, we just cannot believe ‘we’ are so bad.

Im a former soccer player, and my young kids play now. My friend’s teen son is a really talented player. I feel bad for him because he has soccer dreams. I’m happy he loves it and is a great player. So are a lot of kids. It’s competitive and *we as Americans can’t figure out why our “awesome” kids who are fighting tooth and nail aren’t going to be guaranteed succes at the international level.*

See ** phrase above.

It’s just not guaranteed. We are not entitled just because our kids and the USMNT work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well that got nasty fast.

I’m an outsider on these boards, and I’ve yet to view the game.

We’re just not as good. We Americans like to think of ourselves as the best. It’s verified by some sports we excel in. In soccer, we just cannot believe ‘we’ are so bad.

Im a former soccer player, and my young kids play now. My friend’s teen son is a really talented player. I feel bad for him because he has soccer dreams. I’m happy he loves it and is a great player. So are a lot of kids. It’s competitive and *we as Americans can’t figure out why our “awesome” kids who are fighting tooth and nail aren’t going to be guaranteed succes at the international level.*

See ** phrase above.

It’s just not guaranteed. We are not entitled just because our kids and the USMNT work hard.

It's not a matter of entitlement.
The US has a team, that at least on paper, should be competitive.
People love to try to justify, rationalize, or read into things way too much, so naturally, they played badly because of pay to play, not because they don't have a real coach yet, and have never played together.
All these players are pretty good for their club teams, and should be playing better as a team. Don't need to read into it more than that..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that got nasty fast.

I’m an outsider on these boards, and I’ve yet to view the game.

We’re just not as good. We Americans like to think of ourselves as the best. It’s verified by some sports we excel in. In soccer, we just cannot believe ‘we’ are so bad.

Im a former soccer player, and my young kids play now. My friend’s teen son is a really talented player. I feel bad for him because he has soccer dreams. I’m happy he loves it and is a great player. So are a lot of kids. It’s competitive and *we as Americans can’t figure out why our “awesome” kids who are fighting tooth and nail aren’t going to be guaranteed succes at the international level.*

See ** phrase above.

It’s just not guaranteed. We are not entitled just because our kids and the USMNT work hard.

It's not a matter of entitlement.
The US has a team, that at least on paper, should be competitive.
People love to try to justify, rationalize, or read into things way too much, so naturally, they played badly because of pay to play, not because they don't have a real coach yet, and have never played together.
All these players are pretty good for their club teams, and should be playing better as a team. Don't need to read into it more than that..

I’m not saying the entitlement causes the issues.

I’m saying the entitlement fosters the mega-disappointment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that got nasty fast.

I’m an outsider on these boards, and I’ve yet to view the game.

We’re just not as good. We Americans like to think of ourselves as the best. It’s verified by some sports we excel in. In soccer, we just cannot believe ‘we’ are so bad.

Im a former soccer player, and my young kids play now. My friend’s teen son is a really talented player. I feel bad for him because he has soccer dreams. I’m happy he loves it and is a great player. So are a lot of kids. It’s competitive and *we as Americans can’t figure out why our “awesome” kids who are fighting tooth and nail aren’t going to be guaranteed succes at the international level.*

See ** phrase above.

It’s just not guaranteed. We are not entitled just because our kids and the USMNT work hard.

It's not a matter of entitlement.
The US has a team, that at least on paper, should be competitive.
People love to try to justify, rationalize, or read into things way too much, so naturally, they played badly because of pay to play, not because they don't have a real coach yet, and have never played together.
All these players are pretty good for their club teams, and should be playing better as a team. Don't need to read into it more than that..

I’m not saying the entitlement causes the issues.

I’m saying the entitlement fosters the mega-disappointment.

I’d replace entitlement with stupidity, but yeah.
The US has taken men’s soccer seriously for, what, about 20 years now?
Excpexting greatness so fast is silly.
Yes, there’s a lot of problems with US soccer, but the still young DA program is working, and you can see the players going to better teams than ever. It’s just gonna take some patience.

[Anonymous]

To the “on paper” poster somewhere above.

That’s the problem.

On paper?

How about on the field, where the game is played? That’s the final judgment of who is good. Sure not every game outcome reflects the truth of each team, but over time you either see relative success or you don’t.

On paper? Lol.

[Anonymous]

Expecting greatness? Vendetta against US soccer? Naw man. Expecting proper coaching. Expecting proper scouting. Again, we’ve had essentially the same regime for a decade now, and they refuse to learn from mistakes. People need to stop being so butthurt when critiques are made about the national team. People need to stop acting like critiquing the national team is an insult to America, it’s idiots like those who won’t allow standards to be raised.

“We just don’t have the culture.”

Oh stop it already. Bruce Arena failed, and his assistant is still running the team over a year after the debacle. And for what? So we can appoint the coach of the Columbus Crew? More mediocrity. That’s got nothing to do with culture.

Even dating back to the hexagonal you can see how the USSF has repeatedly botched things. We might as well have kept Klinnsmann. We brought in the “sure thing” who’s gotten us there before, and the only games we could win were Honduras, Trinidad, and Panama at home. We won 1 out of our last 5 games. We love our national team, but what are we patiently waiting for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well that got nasty fast.

I’m an outsider on these boards, and I’ve yet to view the game.

We’re just not as good. We Americans like to think of ourselves as the best. It’s verified by some sports we excel in. In soccer, we just cannot believe ‘we’ are so bad.

Im a former soccer player, and my young kids play now. My friend’s teen son is a really talented player. I feel bad for him because he has soccer dreams. I’m happy he loves it and is a great player. So are a lot of kids. It’s competitive and *we as Americans can’t figure out why our “awesome” kids who are fighting tooth and nail aren’t going to be guaranteed succes at the international level.*

See ** phrase above.

It’s just not guaranteed. We are not entitled just because our kids and the USMNT work hard.

It's not a matter of entitlement.
The US has a team, that at least on paper, should be competitive.
People love to try to justify, rationalize, or read into things way too much, so naturally, they played badly because of pay to play, not because they don't have a real coach yet, and have never played together.
All these players are pretty good for their club teams, and should be playing better as a team. Don't need to read into it more than that..

I’m not saying the entitlement causes the issues.

I’m saying the entitlement fosters the mega-disappointment.

I’d replace entitlement with stupidity, but yeah.
The US has taken men’s soccer seriously for, what, about 20 years now?
Excpexting greatness so fast is silly.
Yes, there’s a lot of problems with US soccer, but the still young DA program is working, and you can see the players going to better teams than ever. It’s just gonna take some patience.

The US is and always has been REPLETE with politics in soccer. It is a very closed system. They funnel their favorites from coach to coach starting at a young age and never look at anyone without a 'stamp' from one of the 'players'---now its DA.

We are still a 'win' early in youth culture. We still have a vast majority of people playing and coaching that don't understand the game fundamentally. Kids with talent start playing other US sports when they get the butt job in the U13 and below category--before anyone can tell how they would ultimately end up as players in their teens. It's the American Soccer way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Expecting greatness? Vendetta against US soccer? Naw man. Expecting proper coaching. Expecting proper scouting. Again, we’ve had essentially the same regime for a decade now, and they refuse to learn from mistakes. People need to stop being so butthurt when critiques are made about the national team. People need to stop acting like critiquing the national team is an insult to America, it’s idiots like those who won’t allow standards to be raised.

“We just don’t have the culture.”

Oh stop it already. Bruce Arena failed, and his assistant is still running the team over a year after the debacle. And for what? So we can appoint the coach of the Columbus Crew? More mediocrity. That’s got nothing to do with culture.

Even dating back to the hexagonal you can see how the USSF has repeatedly botched things. We might as well have kept Klinnsmann. We brought in the “sure thing” who’s gotten us there before, and the only games we could win were Honduras, Trinidad, and Panama at home. We won 1 out of our last 5 games. We love our national team, but what are we patiently waiting for?

+1

The truth hurts and the 'Rah Rah' people don't get it at all.

[Anonymous]

The Rah Rah people have been watching too many "the future is bright" commercials and too few international games.