DA v ECNL playoffs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

Deeper roster is for better training. Cant learn to execute higher level play without a talented team of kids to successfully execute the higher level play. A few motivated kids on a roster is not enough. Less dilution would help.

At a minimum it wold put more of these teams in one league so that when they do have a competition it would involve less tie wasted on far flung stupid travel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

Deeper roster is for better training. Cant learn to execute higher level play without a talented team of kids to successfully execute the higher level play. A few motivated kids on a roster is not enough. Less dilution would help.

At a minimum it wold put more of these teams in one league so that when they do have a competition it would involve less tie wasted on far flung stupid travel.

Less time on travel I meant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

The prohibitive cost and long distance travel do not benefit the players either. Even if you leave aside the ridiculous cost, l would submit that the long hours spent driving to New Jersey or flying to South Carolina could be spent better mastering your skills on your local field. And there are plenty of strong teams in the area that could play each other at a competitive level: FCV, McLean, MD Spirit, VA Spirit, Loudoun, Arlington, Bethesda, etc.

We had one league for a decade called ECNL and it did not reduce costs or travel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

The prohibitive cost and long distance travel do not benefit the players either. Even if you leave aside the ridiculous cost, l would submit that the long hours spent driving to New Jersey or flying to South Carolina could be spent better mastering your skills on your local field. And there are plenty of strong teams in the area that could play each other at a competitive level: FCV, McLean, MD Spirit, VA Spirit, Loudoun, Arlington, Bethesda, etc.

We had one league for a decade called ECNL and it did not reduce costs or travel.

Right, but ECNL is not subsidized by US Soccer or professional clubs. Not saying the girls' DA program is close to that at the moment, but you can play for free at most boys' MLS DA clubs, and at significantly reduced costs compared to regular high level travel at non-MLS DA clubs. ECNL is also not set up to minimize costs. They have far too many showcases on top of a lot of league travel. The USYSA regional/national set-up is cheaper and makes a lot more sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

The prohibitive cost and long distance travel do not benefit the players either. Even if you leave aside the ridiculous cost, l would submit that the long hours spent driving to New Jersey or flying to South Carolina could be spent better mastering your skills on your local field. And there are plenty of strong teams in the area that could play each other at a competitive level: FCV, McLean, MD Spirit, VA Spirit, Loudoun, Arlington, Bethesda, etc.

We had one league for a decade called ECNL and it did not reduce costs or travel.

Right, but ECNL is not subsidized by US Soccer or professional clubs. Not saying the girls' DA program is close to that at the moment, but you can play for free at most boys' MLS DA clubs, and at significantly reduced costs compared to regular high level travel at non-MLS DA clubs. ECNL is also not set up to minimize costs. They have far too many showcases on top of a lot of league travel. The USYSA regional/national set-up is cheaper and makes a lot more sense.

Only the MLS DA's are subsidized. US Soccer does not directly subsidize DAs. There are only 10 NWSL teams currently and not all of them have a GDA and very few of them are even remotely profitable.

The USMNT and USWNT do not even remotelymake enough money to subsidized some 200+ Club league with teams from U19 down to U12. The women had to sue just to get a raise and you think they have deep enough pockets to pay for youth travel soccer?

[Anonymous]

USSF had $150 million surplus last year. It seems like they have plenty of money that could have been used to provide affordable youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

Deeper roster is for better training. Cant learn to execute higher level play without a talented team of kids to successfully execute the higher level play. A few motivated kids on a roster is not enough. Less dilution would help.

At a minimum it wold put more of these teams in one league so that when they do have a competition it would involve less tie wasted on far flung stupid travel.

But the trouble is for congested areas like ours commute to practice becomes the barrier. Say you collapsed all the local ecnl clubs and left the DA clubs. The majority of those ECNL players do not commute to the DA locations ... just too far. It might be worse in other places. You would have to convert the ecnl clubs to DA to retain enough players. At that you havent gained much of anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both leagues offer essentially the same package $10K+ per year for the privilege to play with miles and miles of travel.

Ugg. One needs to go an dit makes no difference which one it is . They are basically the same.

Why does one need to go? So that you can have localized powerhouse teams? That does not benefit the country or the players.

Deeper roster is for better training. Cant learn to execute higher level play without a talented team of kids to successfully execute the higher level play. A few motivated kids on a roster is not enough. Less dilution would help.

At a minimum it wold put more of these teams in one league so that when they do have a competition it would involve less tie wasted on far flung stupid travel.

But the trouble is for congested areas like ours commute to practice becomes the barrier. Say you collapsed all the local ecnl clubs and left the DA clubs. The majority of those ECNL players do not commute to the DA locations ... just too far. It might be worse in other places. You would have to convert the ecnl clubs to DA to retain enough players. At that you havent gained much of anything.

And that reality is what always gets lost in all of this pie in the sky talk. Sure if you have a really talented player with real college playing potential then when they are older they will figure out a way to do the hassle of a long practice commute. However, at the younger ages it just is not going to happen and nor should it. The filter should be at the oldest age groups anyway, not he youngest.

[Anonymous]

whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

An hour - Possibly for something special but I have never seen any program for my age girl deserving of that. Two hours one way is very unmanageable .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

An hour - Possibly for something special but I have never seen any program for my age girl deserving of that. Two hours one way is very unmanageable .

what is your DDs age group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

You're missing the point. To grow the sport in this country, and to eventually net a more talented national team, you need to expand the options, not cut them down. It really does not matter what league is better or if there is a national super playoff. If you consolidate, such that an hour or two commute is necessary for some players, you will retire more of them early and never get to see what they might become.

The argument that you want the best to train with the best will always happen to some extent. That's why we have NTC, youth national teams, US Soccer scouts, ID sessions, showcases, etc. These things filter out the best and collect the cream of the crop. ODP was once a part of this but most local elite players think they are beyond it and do not participate (I'm mainly talking about the dearth of ECNL players in ODP these days). With the ECNL and DA coexisting, you do lose some average skill level at the local clubs in day to day practice, however the amount by which you might raise the average talent level at your local DA club by consolidation is trivial relative to the talent lost by the consolidation. It is the job of NTC and other select programs to find and offer the next level opportunities.

ECNL and DA are not the same. They present two different formulas to allow elite players options that fit their lives. So much the better for letting high level players as long as possible.

I think the folks clamoring for consolidation are the same folks who see the bottom half of the roster as filler keeping their children from getting more playing time and winning more. The priorities are still too involved with winning. At 14, 15, 16 years you still do not know just how good players can become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

You're missing the point. To grow the sport in this country, and to eventually net a more talented national team, you need to expand the options, not cut them down. It really does not matter what league is better or if there is a national super playoff. If you consolidate, such that an hour or two commute is necessary for some players, you will retire more of them early and never get to see what they might become.

The argument that you want the best to train with the best will always happen to some extent. That's why we have NTC, youth national teams, US Soccer scouts, ID sessions, showcases, etc. These things filter out the best and collect the cream of the crop. ODP was once a part of this but most local elite players think they are beyond it and do not participate (I'm mainly talking about the dearth of ECNL players in ODP these days). With the ECNL and DA coexisting, you do lose some average skill level at the local clubs in day to day practice, however the amount by which you might raise the average talent level at your local DA club by consolidation is trivial relative to the talent lost by the consolidation. It is the job of NTC and other select programs to find and offer the next level opportunities.

ECNL and DA are not the same. They present two different formulas to allow elite players options that fit their lives. So much the better for letting high level players as long as possible.

I think the folks clamoring for consolidation are the same folks who see the bottom half of the roster as filler keeping their children from getting more playing time and winning more. The priorities are still too involved with winning. At 14, 15, 16 years you still do not know just how good players can become.

Good points but I still think players with potential to learn higher level aspects of the game are held back. Team need some players willing and able to try to execute more advanced strategies. It is a team game and the entire team can struggle to move beyond the weak spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

You're missing the point. To grow the sport in this country, and to eventually net a more talented national team, you need to expand the options, not cut them down. It really does not matter what league is better or if there is a national super playoff. If you consolidate, such that an hour or two commute is necessary for some players, you will retire more of them early and never get to see what they might become.

The argument that you want the best to train with the best will always happen to some extent. That's why we have NTC, youth national teams, US Soccer scouts, ID sessions, showcases, etc. These things filter out the best and collect the cream of the crop. ODP was once a part of this but most local elite players think they are beyond it and do not participate (I'm mainly talking about the dearth of ECNL players in ODP these days). With the ECNL and DA coexisting, you do lose some average skill level at the local clubs in day to day practice, however the amount by which you might raise the average talent level at your local DA club by consolidation is trivial relative to the talent lost by the consolidation. It is the job of NTC and other select programs to find and offer the next level opportunities.

ECNL and DA are not the same. They present two different formulas to allow elite players options that fit their lives. So much the better for letting high level players as long as possible.

I think the folks clamoring for consolidation are the same folks who see the bottom half of the roster as filler keeping their children from getting more playing time and winning more. The priorities are still too involved with winning. At 14, 15, 16 years you still do not know just how good players can become.

Good points but I still think players with potential to learn higher level aspects of the game are held back. Team need some players willing and able to try to execute more advanced strategies. It is a team game and the entire team can struggle to move beyond the weak spots.

A simplistic example but what use is a give and go if the play always ends after the give part?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:whats a too far commute and too young? the high level mini-documentaries about players out west seem to think an hour to two commute one way, while doing work in the car is bo big thing. maybe here we just dont want it enough and conplain too much too offset the potential of not succeeding.

You're missing the point. To grow the sport in this country, and to eventually net a more talented national team, you need to expand the options, not cut them down. It really does not matter what league is better or if there is a national super playoff. If you consolidate, such that an hour or two commute is necessary for some players, you will retire more of them early and never get to see what they might become.

The argument that you want the best to train with the best will always happen to some extent. That's why we have NTC, youth national teams, US Soccer scouts, ID sessions, showcases, etc. These things filter out the best and collect the cream of the crop. ODP was once a part of this but most local elite players think they are beyond it and do not participate (I'm mainly talking about the dearth of ECNL players in ODP these days). With the ECNL and DA coexisting, you do lose some average skill level at the local clubs in day to day practice, however the amount by which you might raise the average talent level at your local DA club by consolidation is trivial relative to the talent lost by the consolidation. It is the job of NTC and other select programs to find and offer the next level opportunities.

ECNL and DA are not the same. They present two different formulas to allow elite players options that fit their lives. So much the better for letting high level players as long as possible.

I think the folks clamoring for consolidation are the same folks who see the bottom half of the roster as filler keeping their children from getting more playing time and winning more. The priorities are still too involved with winning. At 14, 15, 16 years you still do not know just how good players can become.

Good points but I still think players with potential to learn higher level aspects of the game are held back. Team need some players willing and able to try to execute more advanced strategies. It is a team game and the entire team can struggle to move beyond the weak spots.

A simplistic example but what use is a give and go if the play always ends after the give part?

If this is a real case, then I would agree that the dilution has perhaps gone too far. However, based on what I have seen in our local area, even the weakest player on the weakest elite team can execute this. Are you referring to a specific team?