Celebrities continue with MeToo stories

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume actresses know what they’re gonna have to do when they enter the profession.

Wow, you're really comfortable letting your misogyny flag fly.

You've never heard of the director's couch and sleeping your way to the top? I've never spent a second of my time in Hollywood and even I have heard those kinds of rumors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think better late that never.

I'm pretty sure that as many women victims there are there are also a couple dozen teen boys who have been violated as well and never spoke up for being labeled as weak or gay.

https://variety.com/2014/film/news/x-men-director-accused-of-sexually-abusing-teenage-boy-1201158645/

I think just the sheer volume of complaints indicate that this was a well known and for whatever reason - tolerated - problem in Hollywood. Somehow people were just accepting that this crap happened.

I don't begin to understand how agents and other prominent people in the industry (including other actresses) were continually introducing young actors/actresses to these perverts. But they apparently were doing just that. It boggles the mind. But Hollywood really needs to look inward to figure out why this was ever deemed in anyway o.k. and why they were giving these known predators such great power.

People didn't 'accept' anything. It was just swept under the rug as 'oh, she's crazy - his wife says he's a fine man' while the actress was pushed out of Hollywood or the actress put up with it to get the job and career she dreamed of. Some women just internalized it as their fault for what they were wearing or doing or drinking.

Look at Old Hollywood and see this as well. Sometimes it couldn't be hidden but that didn't affect his career nearly as much as hers. Loretta Young won an Oscar in 1948 but before that she was raped by Clark Gable.

" However, in 2015, Linda Lewis, Young's daughter-in-law (and Christopher Lewis's wife) stated publicly that in 1998, Young told Lewis that Gable had raped her and that though the two had flirted on set, no affair and no intimate contact had occurred save for that one incident.[14] Young had not revealed the information before to anyone. According to Lewis, Young stated it only after learning of the concept of date rape; she had previously always believed it was a woman's job to fend off men's amorous advances and had felt the fact that Gable had been able to force himself on her was thus a moral failing on her part."

Loretta Young, Clark Gable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think better late that never.

I'm pretty sure that as many women victims there are there are also a couple dozen teen boys who have been violated as well and never spoke up for being labeled as weak or gay.

https://variety.com/2014/film/news/x-men-director-accused-of-sexually-abusing-teenage-boy-1201158645/

I think just the sheer volume of complaints indicate that this was a well known and for whatever reason - tolerated - problem in Hollywood. Somehow people were just accepting that this crap happened.

I don't begin to understand how agents and other prominent people in the industry (including other actresses) were continually introducing young actors/actresses to these perverts. But they apparently were doing just that. It boggles the mind. But Hollywood really needs to look inward to figure out why this was ever deemed in anyway o.k. and why they were giving these known predators such great power.

You really think its just Hollywood. It's the entirety of American culture which says the man is the head of the household and its his right do what he wants. That may not be a commandment lived by everyone but plenty of society has internalized it as 'protect boys at all cost' even when you know damn well Jimmy raped Sally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume actresses know what they’re gonna have to do when they enter the profession.

Wow, you're really comfortable letting your misogyny flag fly.

You've never heard of the director's couch and sleeping your way to the top? I've never spent a second of my time in Hollywood and even I have heard those kinds of rumors.

There is a difference between things that happen because men can get away with it, and things that women shouldn't have to tolerate and that we should all be opposed to. Unless your job is prostitution, whether you get a job should never be predicated on your willingness to have sex with the person doing the hiring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that it's too easy to fling mud and almost impossible so many decades after the fact to tell who is telling the truth and who is getting even. There are so many of these stories out now that I think people are starting to tune them out, tbh.

I think that some are telling the absolute truth, some are twisting facts/memories to fit this agenda and some are flat outright lying in order to jump onto this sympathetic bandwagon.

It only underlines how very important it is to file a complaint when an incident happens so that a proper investigation can take place. At the same time, I totally get why a woman would not want to put herself through a process like that.

In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, though. Simply making an accusation is not enough to prove that it happened.

Does the same apply to all the kids molested by Catholic priests?

To a degree, yes. If decades have gone by it will be a lot harder to prove that an assault happened. Just pointing a finger at someone and saying "That guy did it" is not enough to win a conviction. You need proof. Without any evidence it's not going to be an easy thing to prove.

You can't just accuse somebody of a crime and expect the person to be automatically found guilty. It never works that way. Nor should it work that way.

but they aren't trying to accuse anyone or pointing fingers. Most are not naming naming names. They are simply coming out and saying " this happened to me." I think it is great and it's never too late. I hope that this movement and letting survivors of sexual assault know that they are not alone and the people believe them will lead to other survivors coming forward and reporting it when it happens so men can finally be held accountable. There are so many reasons these things don't get reported and that has to stop.

I find it so sad how many women don't believe other women. The instances of false accusations are only 3-5% so it's a lot more likely they are telling the truth than lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume actresses know what they’re gonna have to do when they enter the profession.

Wow, you're really comfortable letting your misogyny flag fly.

You've never heard of the director's couch and sleeping your way to the top? I've never spent a second of my time in Hollywood and even I have heard those kinds of rumors.

There is a difference between things that happen because men can get away with it, and things that women shouldn't have to tolerate and that we should all be opposed to. Unless your job is prostitution, whether you get a job should never be predicated on your willingness to have sex with the person doing the hiring.

No kidding. But the rumors were out there. People did know this was happening they were just putting up with it to get roles. Industry wheeler and dealers continued to introduce fledgling performers to these known perverts and probably when those fledgling performers got older they did their own introductions....

Yeah, it was time for that crap to come to an end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that it's too easy to fling mud and almost impossible so many decades after the fact to tell who is telling the truth and who is getting even. There are so many of these stories out now that I think people are starting to tune them out, tbh.

I think that some are telling the absolute truth, some are twisting facts/memories to fit this agenda and some are flat outright lying in order to jump onto this sympathetic bandwagon.

It only underlines how very important it is to file a complaint when an incident happens so that a proper investigation can take place. At the same time, I totally get why a woman would not want to put herself through a process like that.

In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, though. Simply making an accusation is not enough to prove that it happened.

Does the same apply to all the kids molested by Catholic priests?

To a degree, yes. If decades have gone by it will be a lot harder to prove that an assault happened. Just pointing a finger at someone and saying "That guy did it" is not enough to win a conviction. You need proof. Without any evidence it's not going to be an easy thing to prove.

You can't just accuse somebody of a crime and expect the person to be automatically found guilty. It never works that way. Nor should it work that way.

but they aren't trying to accuse anyone or pointing fingers. Most are not naming naming names. They are simply coming out and saying " this happened to me." I think it is great and it's never too late. I hope that this movement and letting survivors of sexual assault know that they are not alone and the people believe them will lead to other survivors coming forward and reporting it when it happens so men can finally be held accountable. There are so many reasons these things don't get reported and that has to stop.

I find it so sad how many women don't believe other women. The instances of false accusations are only 3-5% so it's a lot more likely they are telling the truth than lying.

How about this: Don't work with that guy. He's bad news. Audition with that director instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that it's too easy to fling mud and almost impossible so many decades after the fact to tell who is telling the truth and who is getting even. There are so many of these stories out now that I think people are starting to tune them out, tbh.

I think that some are telling the absolute truth, some are twisting facts/memories to fit this agenda and some are flat outright lying in order to jump onto this sympathetic bandwagon.

It only underlines how very important it is to file a complaint when an incident happens so that a proper investigation can take place. At the same time, I totally get why a woman would not want to put herself through a process like that.

In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, though. Simply making an accusation is not enough to prove that it happened.

Does the same apply to all the kids molested by Catholic priests?

To a degree, yes. If decades have gone by it will be a lot harder to prove that an assault happened. Just pointing a finger at someone and saying "That guy did it" is not enough to win a conviction. You need proof. Without any evidence it's not going to be an easy thing to prove.

You can't just accuse somebody of a crime and expect the person to be automatically found guilty. It never works that way. Nor should it work that way.

but they aren't trying to accuse anyone or pointing fingers. Most are not naming naming names. They are simply coming out and saying " this happened to me." I think it is great and it's never too late. I hope that this movement and letting survivors of sexual assault know that they are not alone and the people believe them will lead to other survivors coming forward and reporting it when it happens so men can finally be held accountable. There are so many reasons these things don't get reported and that has to stop.

I find it so sad how many women don't believe other women. The instances of false accusations are only 3-5% so it's a lot more likely they are telling the truth than lying.

How about this: Don't work with that guy. He's bad news. Audition with that director instead.

So you believe that doing so is wrong? I see nothing wrong with this. Sure there is no evidence, but I'd rather see a woman warn other women, than so watch as more women become victims. If your friend went on a date with a guy who assaulted her and he latter asked you out, would you want her to tell you not to go or would you rather believe she is lying and see for yourself? Knowing there is a 95% chance she is telling the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that it's too easy to fling mud and almost impossible so many decades after the fact to tell who is telling the truth and who is getting even. There are so many of these stories out now that I think people are starting to tune them out, tbh.

I think that some are telling the absolute truth, some are twisting facts/memories to fit this agenda and some are flat outright lying in order to jump onto this sympathetic bandwagon.

It only underlines how very important it is to file a complaint when an incident happens so that a proper investigation can take place. At the same time, I totally get why a woman would not want to put herself through a process like that.

In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty, though. Simply making an accusation is not enough to prove that it happened.

Does the same apply to all the kids molested by Catholic priests?

To a degree, yes. If decades have gone by it will be a lot harder to prove that an assault happened. Just pointing a finger at someone and saying "That guy did it" is not enough to win a conviction. You need proof. Without any evidence it's not going to be an easy thing to prove.

You can't just accuse somebody of a crime and expect the person to be automatically found guilty. It never works that way. Nor should it work that way.

but they aren't trying to accuse anyone or pointing fingers. Most are not naming naming names. They are simply coming out and saying " this happened to me." I think it is great and it's never too late. I hope that this movement and letting survivors of sexual assault know that they are not alone and the people believe them will lead to other survivors coming forward and reporting it when it happens so men can finally be held accountable. There are so many reasons these things don't get reported and that has to stop.

I find it so sad how many women don't believe other women. The instances of false accusations are only 3-5% so it's a lot more likely they are telling the truth than lying.

How about this: Don't work with that guy. He's bad news. Audition with that director instead.

So you believe that doing so is wrong? I see nothing wrong with this. Sure there is no evidence, but I'd rather see a woman warn other women, than so watch as more women become victims. If your friend went on a date with a guy who assaulted her and he latter asked you out, would you want her to tell you not to go or would you rather believe she is lying and see for yourself? Knowing there is a 95% chance she is telling the truth.

If a director can blackball an actress for not having sex with him, then I think it's fair to warn other actresses that the guy is bad news. He expects you to sleep with him and if you don't he blackballs your name in the industry. Certainly I would want to know that if I was an actress.

I don't think it's o.k. to publicly shame a man w/o any proof that what you are saying is accurate, though. As gross as you think Harvey is there are women who willingly slept with him. A pretty woman married him. Women did have consensual sex with the guy even if they did so expecting to get some sort of preferential treatment from him. It's gross but it's also life.

[Anonymous]

^That is not to say that I think that Harvey is innocent! I think he is guilty as sin. Just to clarify!

[Anonymous]

How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

[Anonymous]

Both of them came forward specifically to show that there are a LOT of reasons why women and children (and men) don't come forward when they're assaulted.

These statements are specifically in response to people claiming that if a woman had really been assaulted, she would have said so at the time.

My own father is currently ranting on facebook about how Christine Blasey Ford is making it all up because she didn't come forward at the time. Meanwhile, both my sister and I were sexaully assaulted as children and teens by different people in our lives and didn't come forward, in no small part due to our fear of our father's reaction. The only time in my entire life that I've seen him take a woman's word over a man's was Bill Clinton's accusers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.