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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

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When I was 22 I was assaulted by a guy at work. It wasn't rape, but I literally was walking around tables to put something physically between us, and then he cornered me and kissed me on the lips even though I was saying no. I had never flirted with him. I went home and told my older brother and his girlfriend. My mother overheard. She told me to tell my father. He told me to call my boss the next morning (I wasn't working the next morning - this was a part-time job).

When I called my boss and told him"Kevin cornered me and kissed me last night even though I was saying no," you know what my boss's response was? To imply I was too ugly for anyone to want to kiss me. He asked, "But why would he want to do that?" and I weakly said, "I guess because he wanted to." My boss then said, "But he's married, he has like five or six kids." What do you say to that?

He asked me to write out exactly what happened and bring it to work later. I gave him the sheet of paper. He spoke with Kevin, Kevin completely denied it. That was it. It didn't occur to me to go to the police. Kevin left me alone after that. I kept working there. My family never mentioned it again. I rarely think of it. But you know what? I know there are other girls/women who DON'T say no, who DON'T tell their bosses, and that guy Kevin is probably doing what he did to me, to them, and worse.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was 22 I was assaulted by a guy at work. It wasn't rape, but I literally was walking around tables to put something physically between us, and then he cornered me and kissed me on the lips even though I was saying no. I had never flirted with him. I went home and told my older brother and his girlfriend. My mother overheard. She told me to tell my father. He told me to call my boss the next morning (I wasn't working the next morning - this was a part-time job).

When I called my boss and told him"Kevin cornered me and kissed me last night even though I was saying no," you know what my boss's response was? To imply I was too ugly for anyone to want to kiss me. He asked, "But why would he want to do that?" and I weakly said, "I guess because he wanted to." My boss then said, "But he's married, he has like five or six kids." What do you say to that?

He asked me to write out exactly what happened and bring it to work later. I gave him the sheet of paper. He spoke with Kevin, Kevin completely denied it. That was it. It didn't occur to me to go to the police. Kevin left me alone after that. I kept working there. My family never mentioned it again. I rarely think of it. But you know what? I know there are other girls/women who DON'T say no, who DON'T tell their bosses, and that guy Kevin is probably doing what he did to me, to them, and worse.

I worked one summer (briefly) for a small business owner who used to like to "accidentally" lean up against me and brush his hands across my body when no one else was looking. At first it was subtle and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. After another week or so it became obvious that he was doing it on purpose. One day, right in front of him, I looked at him, shook my head and told his wife that I simply could not work for them any longer. I quit and walked out. And I am sure that she asked her husband what the hell had happened to make me leave like that. Did he tell her the truth? No. But I'm pretty sure that she knew what the truth was anyway.

Does it happen? Yes. Do most men do anything like this? No way. There are a lot more Brad Pitts in this world than guys like Kevin or Harvey.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

The ones in Hollywood who knew what Harvey did but chose to introduce other young women to him, did not warn the women and actually posed for pictures with the creep with big happy smiles on their faces....helped to keep Harvey's supply going.

I don't know that you can necessarily put one instance of he said/she said date rape into the same category. Nor should you.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

The ones in Hollywood who knew what Harvey did but chose to introduce other young women to him, did not warn the women and actually posed for pictures with the creep with big happy smiles on their faces....helped to keep Harvey's supply going.

I don't know that you can necessarily put one instance of he said/she said date rape into the same category. Nor should you.

Umm Courtney Love warned women about Harvey Weinstein. She was dismissed as a coke addict, laughed at on national TV AND her talent agency fired her. What other woman wants to face the public ridicule of being the individual 'crazy' woman? If women as communities would stop protecting predators we'd get a lot further.

That's why the Hollywood #MeToo movement is so powerful.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/entertainment/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

The ones in Hollywood who knew what Harvey did but chose to introduce other young women to him, did not warn the women and actually posed for pictures with the creep with big happy smiles on their faces....helped to keep Harvey's supply going.

I don't know that you can necessarily put one instance of he said/she said date rape into the same category. Nor should you.

Umm Courtney Love warned women about Harvey Weinstein. She was dismissed as a coke addict, laughed at on national TV AND her talent agency fired her. What other woman wants to face the public ridicule of being the individual 'crazy' woman? If women as communities would stop protecting predators we'd get a lot further.

That's why the Hollywood #MeToo movement is so powerful.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/entertainment/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein/index.html

But Courtney Love was a coke addict and a bit of a mess wasn't she? Her reputation wasn't the greatest so her warning was not taken as seriously as it probably should have been.

Had someone like Meryl Streep made that warning you probably would have seen more people take her seriously. Reputation matters.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

The ones in Hollywood who knew what Harvey did but chose to introduce other young women to him, did not warn the women and actually posed for pictures with the creep with big happy smiles on their faces....helped to keep Harvey's supply going.

I don't know that you can necessarily put one instance of he said/she said date rape into the same category. Nor should you.

Umm Courtney Love warned women about Harvey Weinstein. She was dismissed as a coke addict, laughed at on national TV AND her talent agency fired her. What other woman wants to face the public ridicule of being the individual 'crazy' woman? If women as communities would stop protecting predators we'd get a lot further.

That's why the Hollywood #MeToo movement is so powerful.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/entertainment/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein/index.html

But Courtney Love was a coke addict and a bit of a mess wasn't she? Her reputation wasn't the greatest so her warning was not taken as seriously as it probably should have been.

Had someone like Meryl Streep made that warning you probably would have seen more people take her seriously. Reputation matters.

Truth matters. End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:How come we never hear about sports stars like Serena Williams "sleeping her way to the top", we never hear anyone say "You know how that heart surgeon became the head of the unit, right? Yep, slept her way to the top."...you never hear this about lady astronauts, engineers, teachers....

Why is this such a prevalent thing in Hollywood?

Athletic talent and cardiac-surgery can't be faked, mimicked, or given. For Hollywood - its A) Beauty first, then B) Talent. Preferably a 75/25 mix.

RE Sport stars - WINNING is very different from profiting though. Serena's amazingly wealthy, but Maria Sharapova who couldn't win a game against her, is actually worth more. One guess why she got all of the endorsement deals while not winning anything - beauty and yes, I'm sure she had some interactions with some agents/managers who got her some excellent deals.

In Hollywood (and the like) it's beauty, talent and whatever little extras you might have thrown in to make you stand out from all of the thousands of other beautiful, talented people in show biz.

I'm sure that there are decent directors who don't expect sex in exchange for a role in their movie. Audition for those directors.

Look at Taylor Swift - when a man grabbed her azz she called him out immediately and handed him his own azz in court. Think he'll be grabbing anyone's azz anytime soon? lol. No.

No, they shouldn't put up with this stuff. But coming forward decades after the fact doesn't help anyone.

Taylor Swift's father worked for Merrill Lynch and bankrolled her start-up to the tune $120,000 by purchasing a stake in the record label that signed her.

There is a big-big difference when you come from a position of power from the START. Her family's wealth protected her. She didn't have to go to a manager's casting couch or let a radio host paw her up without saying a word.

It's a similar case with Gwyneth Paltrow. She was born into Hollywood-royalty and when she was sexually propositioned by Harvey Weinstein - guess who stuck up for her? Her equally wealthy and influential boyfriend Brad Pitt. Most Hollywood women don't have lovers or family powerful enough to tell a man like Harvey Weinstein to f*ck off. He and generations of men before them make or break careers as Rose McGowan's history so aptly shows.

If all you had to do was hand your kid 120K and they could become a top star in the music industry....wouldn't more parents be doing just that? Why the hell bother with VT engineering or med school if it was so danged easy?

Would I rather be one of the richest, hottest stars on the planet or....a podiatrist? Tough call, right?

No, because like that National Anthem thread so aptly shows - not every kid has the talent to make it. I'm sure those parents have spent around $5,000 shuffling that kid to auditions and stadiums and mall performances. By the time she's a teen she'll realize she isn't good enough for a contract. And even once you get the contract - its the rarified who make that into a career let alone a super-star one like Taylor Swift.

O.k. then we can all agree that Taylor Swift is not where she is today because of her daddy's money. She is where she is today because of her raw talent, hard work and determination.

The PP brought up the point that TS is some amazing feminist for taking a radio host to court for pawing her. The point of the fact is that OTHER Hollywood women can't/didn't do the same with executive producers and managers because they weren't in the same position of power Taylor was in and has been from the start.

You think she had to take meetings alone with men at 2AM to get a gig? Hell no, her father owned part of the label. He had the power to make sure she was pushed, promoted, and booked. I applaud him for believing in her future career and Taylor for then doing the hard work to make it happen.

But don't act like she didn't come from a place of privilege to get there. If you want to see an example of women who tried to do the EXACT SAME thing as Taylor Swift and failed, read up on Ke$ha.

There are plenty of powerful women in Hollywood who knew all about this crap, though, and watched while other, lesser known actresses got subjected to it.

I personally can not imagine watching a sweet, young woman much like Taylor Swift naively go into a room alone with the likes of Harvey...knowing what the expectation from him was going to be.

Makes me sort of ill to think about it actually.

And yet, this happens every day and you (the hypothetical not personal) don't speak up?

Young girls are raped and assaulted by teenage predators, college predators, workplace predators.

You don't speak up. Instead you defend. Monsters like Harvey don't just wake up at 50 and say "Oh, I'm going to rape the next woman who walks into my office."

They have been doing it for decades and under a culture of 'well, it was just once and he was so young' they're groomed to think its fine and they get away with it. So why stop?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/

The ones in Hollywood who knew what Harvey did but chose to introduce other young women to him, did not warn the women and actually posed for pictures with the creep with big happy smiles on their faces....helped to keep Harvey's supply going.

I don't know that you can necessarily put one instance of he said/she said date rape into the same category. Nor should you.

Umm Courtney Love warned women about Harvey Weinstein. She was dismissed as a coke addict, laughed at on national TV AND her talent agency fired her. What other woman wants to face the public ridicule of being the individual 'crazy' woman? If women as communities would stop protecting predators we'd get a lot further.

That's why the Hollywood #MeToo movement is so powerful.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/entertainment/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein/index.html

But Courtney Love was a coke addict and a bit of a mess wasn't she? Her reputation wasn't the greatest so her warning was not taken as seriously as it probably should have been.

Had someone like Meryl Streep made that warning you probably would have seen more people take her seriously. Reputation matters.

Truth matters. End of story.

Yes, truth does matter. It matters a lot. But so does power.